Will Volvo kill the stick shift? Audi has

[jimmy57]

Volvo has introduced versions of the iShift for loads to 220,000 pounds (100 metric tonnes) so they seemed to have the heavy load part licked.

Manual transmissions severely limit engine managements system ability to optimize MPG and lower emissions. These two things will likely dig the grave for manuals in all but third world countries. The same applies to heavy trucks.
With any type automatic the gear selection can be controlled when driving at lower load to allow the throttle and cam timing (and valve lift if that system is also fitted) so that emissions go down and fuel economy goes up. Most persons driving manuals will not "lug" the engine and use more throttle. If you use higher gears and more throttle and also have cam timing control you can use a leaner mixture and the engine has less effort drawing in air when throttle is not restricting inlet as much. Most people don't think of lugging with more pedal as a good answer.

[Rattnalle]

I can totally see manual boxes being replaced by manumatic dual clutch transmissions (ie paddle shifting). They are as fast or faster than an automatic, but they still feel like a manual and you don't have nearly the torque loss of an automatic. It's the best of both worlds, IMHO.

I think manuals will stick around in economy cars due to there simplicity and ease of manufacturing. And I expect manuals to still have their place in motorsport and performance applications for quite some time. I also don't see heavy trucks and tractors completely abandoning manuals anytime soon.

Lorries have all but abandoned manuals by now and it's nothing new either. It's much more reliable and more drivable with heavy loads. And sure it's kind of fun driving a manual lorry with 12-16 gears but it's nothing I'd want to do for a living.

In sports the manuals could live on but even in economy cars they're slowly going away over here. The cost to add an automatic isn't very high and the cars are slightly easier to sell.

Also the new autos like the aidin 8 speed with lockup on every gear that Volvo and many others use are really quite good and don't have that same auto feeling as older ones do.

Many lorries are going to dual clutch automatic transmissions, mostly for the reasons I already listed. I never thought torque converters had a place on heavy freight trucks. Volvo's iShift is the only auto-trans I've ever liked in a truck. Later I learned it was a DCT and learned about how they work. DCTs are great in long haul trucks for improving fuel economy and driveability, but they are quite a bit more expensive. I think the much lower cost will keep manual transmission in trucks for quite some time. Also, manuals are still much better for hauling very heavy cargo.

In Europe very few lorries of any kind are sold with a manual.

And by manual I mean stick shift. I don't differentiate between dual clutch and torque converter transmissions from a drivers point of view and call both automatics. Though I know which one I prefer to drive.

[abscate]

It’s three medals for three pedals.....your a lush, if you shift with slush.

Your not my kind, if you can’t grind.

If this thread drifts, just make it shift

[j-dawg]

With any type automatic the gear selection can be controlled when driving at lower load to allow the throttle and cam timing (and valve lift if that system is also fitted) so that emissions go down and fuel economy goes up. Most persons driving manuals will not "lug" the engine and use more throttle. If you use higher gears and more throttle and also have cam timing control you can use a leaner mixture and the engine has less effort drawing in air when throttle is not restricting inlet as much. Most people don't think of lugging with more pedal as a good answer.

I'd expect to see more of what few three-pedal manuals remain doing the Corvette skip-shift, which forces you from first to fourth under the typical conditions in which one might shift out of first. This helps them get those good economy and emissions numbers in the lab. GM then carefully leaves these devices easily defeated.

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Awesome!

[bill d cat]

I thought Volvo HAD -- or i wouldn't have needed to go over to the Dark Side (BMW) 10 years ago.

The good part is, if nobody knows how to drive them, that should bring down the prices of classic cars with stick shifts, shouldn't it?

https://www.roadandtrack.com/car-cultur ... ansmisson/

In the nine model years since the DSG debuted, the GTI's manual-transmission take rate hasn't dropped. In 2012 (the last full year for which VW has sales information), some 7830 manual GTIs were sold here. That's 500 cars more than what the three-pedal GTI has averaged here each year since 1983. So how, exactly, is the manual transmission doomed?

BMW has stopped selling wagons and SUVs with stick shifts in the US, and I think read that the next 3-series will be sold only with 2 pedals in the US.

For now, there is still VW. And Honda. And Jeep -- I've even considered a Wrangler, rather than give up my beloved stick shift.

[abscate]

I thought Volvo HAD -- or i wouldn't have needed to go over to the Dark Side (BMW) 10 years ago.

The good part is, if nobody knows how to drive them, that should bring down the prices of classic cars with stick shifts, shouldn't it?

https://www.roadandtrack.com/car-cultur ... ansmisson/

In the nine model years since the DSG debuted, the GTI's manual-transmission take rate hasn't dropped. In 2012 (the last full year for which VW has sales information), some 7830 manual GTIs were sold here. That's 500 cars more than what the three-pedal GTI has averaged here each year since 1983. So how, exactly, is the manual transmission doomed?

BMW has stopped selling wagons and SUVs with stick shifts in the US, and I think read that the next 3-series will be sold only with 2 pedals in the US.

For now, there is still VW. And Honda. And Jeep -- I've even considered a Wrangler, rather than give up my beloved stick shift.

By the way Bill

.... I’m racing you to the moon.....

First one their gets a new clutch..... pedal pad cover