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What wagon would you MOST recommend based on reliability, daily driving, and DIY work?

Poll ended at 09 Apr 2021, 13:56

1989+ 745 turbo manual
0
No votes
-95 945
2
40%
98 V70 T5
2
40%
98 V70 2.4N/A
1
20%
 
Total votes: 5
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Re: My Next Purchase Poll: opinions and recommendations wanted

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scot850 wrote: 27 Mar 2021, 17:14 For me it it what is easiest to find parts for and maintain. Lot to be said for a FWD P80 NA. Relatively simple and parts are not too difficult to find still. I don't recommend the P80 AWD not just because of the fuel pump/rear sub-frame issue, but mostly because of the difficulty of finding spares unique to AWD cars.

I loved the RWD older models but where we live in Canada, unless you fill the trunk in winter with bags of sand and have a stick shift they are not ideal. I have had 740/760's including the Turbo 760 and a turbo 940. As wagons they are great and easy to work on.
240's are now rising in popularity and value. They, like the 145 before were great load lugging wagons but same RWD/auto trans issues where I live. I would have liked a 240 turbo just because.

The S80 was a car the dealer mechanics warned me away from in all versions, in particular the T6 due to engine issues mostly.

The 960/V90 is a great sleeper car. I always wanted a 960 Executive (as they were called in UK). Slightly longer wheel base but again a great driver on good roads.

I am less interested in the post 00 cars as the seats are not comfortable for me, although now having discovered the XC90 'R' design seats I could be tempted. The downside is the known issues of suspension wear, axle issues, prop-shafts and AWD problems. Again running a mile from a T6 with the crap GM trams and bad motor.

It takes all colors and fortunately we all have fondness for particular models and that is great. The one I missed was a 1959 PV444 wagon, one of 12 imported to Canada. Needed some work and had been fitted with the B20 motor in place of the tepid B14. The car was nicknamed 'Pickle' as it was green. How could you not want that!?

Neil.
This was a great reply. Thank you!
I have actually been leaning farther away from P2 except the 03-04 S80 2.9NA and T6. If you haven't read already, the M/Y 2003.5 trans was replaced with something better I think and 2004 came with something better. I have to go back and look at that. I omitted the S80 because it's a sedan, although I'm currently chatting with someone about their t6 only because of the history. As of now, even though it remains on the poll list, I have omitted the p2 V70.
The 960 is definitely a sleeper, fantastic car and really I'd love to get another, but this time the wagon. Longer wheelbase, impeccable handling, top notch sound, extreme comfort, PLUS the insane amount of cargo? YES PLEASE! I am concerned about getting another because it may develop the valvetrain clicking. I do not want to remove the subframe to get to the oil pan for the oil tube seal. Despite that, this car is still an option.
When I owned my 01 v70 base, I laughed because power was not that great. Once I traded it for my XC, I thought the turbo was the greatest thing. The spooling dude! Amazing! With AWD? But now I don't care about awd. I'll stick with rear or front.
And I agree with you on the old ones. My favorites are the Duett PV 544 wagon and Amazon wagon.
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98 V GLE/SE red, 379k (277k), 5sp, trailer in progress...
05 CRV EX AWD, Navy, 170K/184k, sold
03 Accord 2dr V6 silver, 196K/214K, 6sp, t-boned, sold
98 S GT white, 175K, 5sp, sold
96 964 silver, 146K, diff&trans/engine self-destr, crushed 😭
98 XC black, 151K, flooded&bent rod, crushed
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Post by Oro »

I'm not voting because I don't see a 2004+ P2 XC70 on there. Best wagon IME for reliability, daily driving, and DIY work!

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Oro wrote: 27 Mar 2021, 19:56 I'm not voting because I don't see a 2004+ P2 XC70 on there. Best wagon IME for reliability, daily driving, and DIY work!
I did have the 03-04 xc70 up there but then I considered the rock in my stomach about the extra complexity compared to the 86-98 Volvos. I had an 01 and was not impressed. Most seem to say great things about the 02+ v70/xc70. I have not heard as many good things about the 2005&up xc70. Besides hearing from Volvoians on here about the poorer quality electronics, i drew the conclusion that all 2005+ v70 (including R) and s60 are ugly and also cheaper made than 02-04. Example: My 01 v70 N/A base model came with a stock 300W amp with the 613. A 400w comes in the premium ones. I found an amp in the base model 60/70/80 cars up to 2004 in junkyards. Not the case for 2005+ with 650. If I'm going p2, the 03-04 s80 will be my choice. It's updated tranny, top of the line quality, drop down seats, telephone, executive comfort. And it was the only P2 Volvo made before they sold to Ford. Even though the p2 t5 is up on the poll, I'm ignoring that. I'll keep the older wagon choices. I've had great experience with the older ones.
95 854 Turbo 258K, auto, current
09 Rav4 Ltd3.5Fwd, red, 208K, current
98 V GLE/SE red, 379k (277k), 5sp, trailer in progress...
05 CRV EX AWD, Navy, 170K/184k, sold
03 Accord 2dr V6 silver, 196K/214K, 6sp, t-boned, sold
98 S GT white, 175K, 5sp, sold
96 964 silver, 146K, diff&trans/engine self-destr, crushed 😭
98 XC black, 151K, flooded&bent rod, crushed
01 V Base white, 168k, traded for XC
09 Impala LT1 gray, 196K, sold for 01

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Post by scot850 »

We have an 06 XC70. If you really want one then get an 05-07 years. They were the final version and probably the best. The only issues to watch out for are that the servicing has been done on the transmission and the AWD system. Transmission at 50,000 mile intervals and the AWD around 120,000 miles or less. If they have oil changes more frequently than that it may save on a full oil pump and filter.

Ours has not been too bad, but the issues are to buy one without the 4C shocks (they are expensive and unless you want to keep changing the settings we have just left it in the standard setting. The shocks are very expensive, standard ones are better.
P2's are known for suspension issues of premature coil spring breakages (keep an eye on rust on the coils) and control arm bush wear. Only other issue is the rear muffler is a stupid design as it uses a mild steel crimp strip to hold the 2 halves of the muffler cover in place. It is made of tin foil and falls apart quickly. For me the deal breaker is for a larger guy like me, the seats are terrible. No thigh support. Car has otherwise been ok. We have had it for close to 10 years and still have it for our son to use.

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2004 Volvo V70 Turbo - $4,000 154K Miles 5 Spd Manual
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MoVolvos wrote: 28 Mar 2021, 00:35 *
2004 Volvo V70 Turbo - $4,000 154K Miles 5 Spd Manual
https://houston.craigslist.org/cto/d/ho ... 17576.html

This is definitely worth a look!
See now if it was a manual, I'd be pretty thrilled to own one. This one looks amazing. A manual T5?! Yeah man!
95 854 Turbo 258K, auto, current
09 Rav4 Ltd3.5Fwd, red, 208K, current
98 V GLE/SE red, 379k (277k), 5sp, trailer in progress...
05 CRV EX AWD, Navy, 170K/184k, sold
03 Accord 2dr V6 silver, 196K/214K, 6sp, t-boned, sold
98 S GT white, 175K, 5sp, sold
96 964 silver, 146K, diff&trans/engine self-destr, crushed 😭
98 XC black, 151K, flooded&bent rod, crushed
01 V Base white, 168k, traded for XC
09 Impala LT1 gray, 196K, sold for 01

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Post by Azik09 »

Turning circle of some Volvos:
960(S90) - 9,8m
P80 - 10,2m
P2 - 10,8m.
Just for information ))
If my English is bad, please correct me :oops:

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Post by erikv11 »

CIK7 wrote: 27 Mar 2021, 15:57
erikv11 wrote: 27 Mar 2021, 14:39 For " ... reliability, daily driving, and DIY work" it's no contest, the 98's leave the FWD pack* far in the dust. I voted both NA and T5. The are so definitely easier to work on, but personally I would go with a T5.

*Disciaimer: I have zero knowledge on the RWD models so ignoring them as options.
So do you disagree with Azik09's statement about 'P80 before 1998'?
Well, since as far as DIY work goes a 98 P80 is mechanically EXACTLY the same as a 97 P80, I'd have to disagree yes. LOL.

The only way Azik09's comment (say "P80 before 1998") makes any sense to me is if they are actually referring to what we got as '99 cars. The US model cars were a year behind European and most overseas markets. In other words, to them a 98 is what we call a 99.

A 98 has better interior then an 850, is far less squeaky and has some other improvements, that's the most substantial difference. They look different outwardly because of body panel re-design which I can take or leave, and most importantly everything is one (or more) year(s) newer. No question the 98 (US market) was the best P80!
'95 854 T-5R, Motronic 4.4, 185k
'98 V70, T5 tune-injectors-turbo, LPT engine, 304k, daily driver
'06 S60 R, 197k
'07 XC70, black, 205k
'07 XC70, willow green, 212k
'99 Camry V6 :shock: 153k
gone: '96 NA 850 210k, '98 NA V70 182k, '98 S70 NA 225k, '96 855 NA 169k

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MoVolvos wrote: 28 Mar 2021, 00:35 *
2004 Volvo V70 Turbo - $4,000 154K Miles 5 Spd Manual
https://houston.craigslist.org/cto/d/ho ... 17576.html

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This is definitely worth a look!

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These are so uncommon to see for sale. Buy it.
'95 854 T-5R, Motronic 4.4, 185k
'98 V70, T5 tune-injectors-turbo, LPT engine, 304k, daily driver
'06 S60 R, 197k
'07 XC70, black, 205k
'07 XC70, willow green, 212k
'99 Camry V6 :shock: 153k
gone: '96 NA 850 210k, '98 NA V70 182k, '98 S70 NA 225k, '96 855 NA 169k

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erikv11 wrote: 28 Mar 2021, 10:58
MoVolvos wrote: 28 Mar 2021, 00:35 *
2004 Volvo V70 Turbo - $4,000 154K Miles 5 Spd Manual
https://houston.craigslist.org/cto/d/ho ... 17576.html

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This is definitely worth a look!

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These are so uncommon to see for sale. Buy it.
Hopefully it doesn't go away before I get my money April 17th. And if I decide on that, hopefully my friend will be willing to drive that far. It's 360ish miles from me to Houston.
95 854 Turbo 258K, auto, current
09 Rav4 Ltd3.5Fwd, red, 208K, current
98 V GLE/SE red, 379k (277k), 5sp, trailer in progress...
05 CRV EX AWD, Navy, 170K/184k, sold
03 Accord 2dr V6 silver, 196K/214K, 6sp, t-boned, sold
98 S GT white, 175K, 5sp, sold
96 964 silver, 146K, diff&trans/engine self-destr, crushed 😭
98 XC black, 151K, flooded&bent rod, crushed
01 V Base white, 168k, traded for XC
09 Impala LT1 gray, 196K, sold for 01

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