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RickHaleParker wrote: 14 Aug 2021, 13:58 Tally: 6 not peeling, 5 are peeling.
That’s ubiscuitous
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abscate wrote: 14 Aug 2021, 16:10 That’s ubiscuitous
Not U-biscuit-ous they are P80s not biscuits.
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So...how do you deal with it? Fender was replaced and the only part of the red '96 that was clear coated, now peeling in multiple spots.

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I think "ubiquitous" tells the story but if we're going to be pedantic (great!) then at least tally the numbers accurately (they weren't). For P80 cars if we also add in rguzz's new post then so far we have:

(peeling, not)

1 unclassified - Sonic's we don't know for sure (but likely peeling because it is ubiquitous on P80's by now!)

(0,1) - Rick's datum
(2,2) - my data
(2,3) - abscate's
(1,2) - Clemens'
(1,0) - rguzz's

overall (6,8) or 6 peeling, 8 not peeling.
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Well, my S70 (nautic blue) had the same problems on the bonnet and on the front fender on the left. I cleaned the spots really well and treated it with some clear coat to stop further flaking.
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erikv11 wrote: 15 Aug 2021, 12:17
1 unclassified - Sonic's we don't know for sure (but likely peeling because it is ubiquitous on P80's by now!)

(0,1) - Rick's datum
(2,2) - my data
(2,3) - abscate's
(1,2) - Clemens'
(1,0) - rguzz's

overall (6,8) or 6 peeling, 8 not peeling.
(0,1) - Rick's datum
(2,2) - my data
(2,3) - abscate's
(1,2) - Clemens'
(1,0) - rguzz's
(1,0) - Ocelot

Tally: (7,8) or 7 peeling, 8 not peeling. ~50/50. Not everywhere dos not meet the criteria for ubiquitous.

Point is: the only reasonable course of action is to ask. Assuming it peeling because you think it is an ubiquitous condition will result in a ~ 50% defect rate.
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Who said don't ask? Of course ask. We still don't know for sure about Sonic's car, beyond that it has paint issues.

Ubiquitous is experiential not mathematical. It denotes "seen commonly" not "the only thing you will see." It refers to what we seem to encounter around us, not to some percentage. One half of a 50/50 distribution could easily qualify as ubiquitous and could easily not.

I see a lot of P80 cars, including many with peeling clearcoat. Make of that what you will.
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erikv11 wrote: 15 Aug 2021, 20:18 Ubiquitous is experiential not mathematical.
Ubiquitous comes from ubiquity which means "everywhere" . 1/2 is not everywhere.

Your N=2 does not extrapolate to the rest of the world.
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RickHaleParker wrote: 16 Aug 2021, 22:45
erikv11 wrote: 15 Aug 2021, 20:18 Ubiquitous is experiential not mathematical.
Ubiquitous comes from ubiquity which means "everywhere" . 1/2 is not everywhere.

Your N=2 does not extrapolate to the rest of the world.
:roll: :lol: At least look it up if you're not getting it! And my data were N=4, quit messing up the numbers.
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gone: '96 NA 850 210k, '98 NA V70 182k, '98 S70 NA 225k, '96 855 NA 169k

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erikv11 wrote: 16 Aug 2021, 23:17 :roll: :lol: At least look it up if you're not getting it!
A strawman argument. That getting real weak. I did look it up and you know I did.
At the least you should of been able to deduce that I did.
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