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Which ELM327 tool will work best with these 850's?

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Re: Which ELM327 tool will work best with these 850's?

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My apologies, my phone died last night while adding information to this thread.

As I was writing, the ScanGauge has some programming features other than just connecting to the car. Not sure if it has the ability to actually to dig deep enough to get the mileage from the cluster, but who knows. If I wasn't taking on water, I'd be glad to take on the extended challenge of digging into this. I've been thinking about it for several months, just have not seen the time.
http://www.scangauge.com/tips-and-trick ... ngauge-ii/
http://www.scangauge.com/tips-and-trick ... -manual-2/

At any rate, it would be nice to be able to see a car while "out and about" grab the ELM327, plug it into the vehicle at hand, and read the mileage on my phone, without the need of a laptop with internet connection. The guy at the indi shop has some reader about as big as a small laptop computer that he hooks up to the OBD2 port and reads the system in less than 5 minutes. The first car took him about 5 minutes because he had not done it in years. The 2nd car took him about 2 minutes. He was also able to see the country set up of the vehicle, which was Saudi market for the 2nd car. I'm guessing it was a DOD delivery vehicle.

As for reading the mileage in the '98 cars, I don't see that as being necessary. Those cars do NOT have cluster issues where the odometer breaks and stops displaying the correct mileage since they are digital. My view is that ALL 850's have experienced a broken odometer gear and thus the displayed mileage is not accurate. Fine example is the 850 I purchased on the side of the road that actually had 259,000 miles on it but the display showed 173,998. That 80,000 mile error knowledge may have saved me $200 to $300 in my purchase as I shocked the seller with that information. The 2nd car with the 11,000 error probably would not have mattered, however, the seller actually lied to me and said that the odometer worked, it does not.

The real tragedy here is at the end of the day, only about 7 people actually really care. LOL I believe these are 500,000 mile cars, so at 260,000 the car has a LOT of life left in it once restored mechanically. heck, at most people's rate, another 20 years. But lets see ANYONE pay more than $2,500 for a car with 320,000 miles on it. At 350,000 miles I would put my money on one of these over a Honda with 200,000 miles on it any day. There is some strange thing in my head that gets a kick out of telling people that my car has over 300,000 or so miles on a car. I would really get a kick out of having one with over 400,000 like my red block 740 GLE had. The look on their face. lol Bla Bla Bla, maybe I'll wake up now since most people are now at work. ;)

Again, it would be nice to get the mileage on the fly, and be able to reset the oil change light without a lot of expense and multiple pieces of equipment needing internet access. If the process is not simple and "cheap" others will not enjoy the ability. Heck, it's hard to get them to check their dang oil in these old cars.
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Post by esl_97_850_T5 »

Robert,

I would greatly love to know the response on your 2nd car (the Saudi one) to the B901 request. If you ever get some ELM327 talking enough to issue the ELM327 setup commands for KWPD3B0 communication and issue the B903 to read the mileage, will you follow the B903 request with a B901 request and report back what the response is?

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I purchased the BAFX ELM 327 https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B005NL ... UTF8&psc=1 and this dongle https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00F25 ... UTF8&psc=1

It doesn't appear that the BAFX device is actually connecting.
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Any ideas on that? The computer could find it when I clicked on add a bluetooth device and I entered in the pairing code at one point.

If I try STNTerm I get this.


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I tried switching ports and baud rates around in the device manager and it didn't help.
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Post by esl_97_850_T5 »

pappatho,

1. I have checked your post in 4 different browsers: FF, Chrome, IE, and Opera.

Your "STN Term 1.3.1.0" window is overlayed on top of your questions that follow your "If I try STNTerm I get this" sentence, thereby making the 11 or so comments/questions unreadable.

You need to repost this, making sure before you post that the window snapshots do not overlay the text.

2. I personally don't yet have experience with the Bluetooth ELM327. Maybe one of the other experienced Bluetooth ELM327 users can help you. I'll chime in during or after the testing of my two Bluetooth ELM327 devices (probably sometime in the next 2-3 weeks) if someone else hasn't answered your questions by then.

3. The tools I most frequently use to find out what process has a file open when I get things like "ie_Open - device already open" errors and I can't figure out the obvious program that has the file open are:

- Sysinternals Suite Handle
- Sysinternals Suite Process Explorer

Usually "Handle" will help me figure out the culprit.

Sysinternals Suite used to be downloadable for free from Microsoft for free for WinXP. I haven't yet researched it for later versions of Windows.

Of course, you could always reboot to clear up the "file already open problem" and see if the error consistently reoccurs after rebooting.

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When I took the screenshot of STNTerm I had this post or something else from this forum up in the background. The background can be ignored by that image.

The bluetooth dongle seems to be working since I can connect a phone to the computer. I tried this on a n XP and 7 machine and got the same result. It doesn't connect. I also tried it on a Chromebook (internal bluetooth) and it wouldn't connect to that either. I'm wondering if there are some drivers that need to be loaded for the BAFX unit. The instructions don't mention any. I am hoping the BAFX support gets back to me.

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Post by rspi »

esl_97_850_T5 wrote:Robert,

I would greatly love to know the response on your 2nd car (the Saudi one) to the B901 request. If you ever get some ELM327 talking enough to issue the ELM327 setup commands for KWPD3B0 communication and issue the B903 to read the mileage, will you follow the B903 request with a B901 request and report back what the response is?

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Not sure if I will do this because I sold the car a couple of days ago. It seems that the guy will have me do things to it from time to time so I can access it later. I will probably order one of the ELM327 this week and start playing around with it.
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I have the BAFX ELM327 and the Bluetooth dongle working now. The problem seemed to be with the bluetooth drivers included with the dongle. I originally followed the provided instructions for setup. When I deleted those drivers and software and just let Windows auto load drivers when I plugged the dongle in I got everything working, including volvo850diag. I am impressed with the volvo8590diag functionality in conjunction with the interpreter. Wish I would have known about this before I bought the 850R to scan at that time.

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Post by esl_97_850_T5 »

pappatho,

1. Thanks for telling us about your success when taking the simple approach of just using the Windows Bluetooth drivers.

2. How did you get volvo850diag talking to the correct port?

- Editing volvo850diag.html's scanner_type to "ELM327-Bluetooth" (thereby causing port_default to be "\BthModem0")?
- Setting up the RT_ELM327_PORT environment variable?
- Editing volvo850diag.html's "Force Port # here" line?
- Use of the Realterm Port tab to manually select the port and Open it?
- Or what?

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Edited: Corrected the scanner_type sentence.
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Post by pappatho »

The scanner_type is currently set to ELM327. If I remember right that is the default, but I was changing that when I was trying to get the WiFi ELM 327 working.

I was manually entering in the COM port and Baud rate in the Port tab of Realterm.

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Post by esl_97_850_T5 »

pappatho,

1. I just corrected the scanner_type sentence in my previous post.

2. What baud rate do you use -- 38400 or something different?

3. Is the COM port # that you manually enter on Realterm's Port tab the exact same as what appears after you:

- use Realterm Port tab's ability to rescan the list of available ports,
- then select "\BthModem0",
- then click "Open" to open that special, generic "\BthModem0" port?

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