1998 v70 is it possible to remove rear axles permanently ?

[scot850]

Brake backing plates have been NLA for AWD P80's for 10 years or more. I only have the ones for a 00 V70R which are unique to that model. There is a rubber seat under the bottom of the rear coil springs on a AWD rear spring.

Parts drawing for a 98 AWD rear shock absorber:

https://www.volvocarstorontoparts.ca/a/ ... 67242.html

I am talking of the part #2 that is NLA.

Neil.

[bronco]

All the AWD cars have that, and they’re all the same thickness as far as I know. I think you’re overthinking this based on conjecture from a single listing - I haven’t seen any proof of this so-called spacer existing. Ride height is set by the springs in the back for non-Nivo setups.

Some people with functional Nivomats used to lower the back end of their cars to match FWD lowering springs up front with spacers on the shock mount back in the day, so perhaps this is what they’re referring to?

I’ve been way too deep into my fair share of these things and can promise you there’s nothing to learn investigating the different setups with P80 AWD. There’s only 2 variations - w/ or w/o Nivomats. All US wagons got Nivomats from the factory.

Yeah, you can’t get them anymore. You can’t get much of anything for the AWD cars anymore, really. Hence the FWD swap being the way to go, and why this hybrid setup you’re making here isn’t the solution it seems since it’s still dependent on nonexistent AWD parts.

Some more detail would be nice for sure. Having done the digging, I can assure you that you have Nivomat springs and need to switch to the non-Nivomat variant, swap in some non-Nivomat AWD shocks, and call it a day

What makes this more annoying is that I let go of 2 S70 FWD cars during the pandemic that it sounds like would have been helpful for parts. The only major thing I saved was an auto trans that I never wound up doing anything with.

The only parts car I have free access to is a 2001 S80 FWD.

The backing plate issue is a problem too because the drivers side plate has basically crumbled into dust. I was assuming I could get one but it looks like thats not the case. I won't bother ordering brake cables I guess .

[V50M66]

Yeah you could have swapped the delta link, gas tank, etc from one of those S70s and completely fixed the AWD junk on this wagon in a weekend or so.

That S80 is P2 and therefore of zero use to you in regards to this car.

Welcome to P80 AWD parts availability. There’s a reason people (myself included) FWD swap these - keeping anything specific to AWD is just asking for trouble.

[bronco]

Yeah you could have swapped the delta link, gas tank, etc from one of those S70s and completely fixed the AWD junk on this wagon in a weekend or so.

That S80 is P2 and therefore of zero use to you in regards to this car.

Welcome to P80 AWD parts availability. There’s a reason people (myself included) FWD swap these - keeping anything specific to AWD is just asking for trouble.

I might just stick this back together with the replacement shocks only. The backing plate issue is effectively preventing me from fixing the ebrake at all without a donor.

This weekend I went to the house of someone I know who had a S70 he hit a deer with , its been sitting since the pandemic and he didn't fix it, prepared to buy the car and do the rear swap and found the car recently scrapped. Tracked it to the junkyard and no sign, the trail goes cold there.

Interestingly enough I was telling someone the story and they put me onto a 2003 or 2004 V70 FWD that I might be able to grab cheap. Clean ? but needs a clutch .
Maybe its time to upgrade . I can just baby this car along for a until the sticker expires and I get the clutch project done on this later car.

I don't like the later cars as much but I do like standards. Its not AWD , non turbo so easier to work on . Downside is no roof rack for my kayak

[bronco]

Would a 1997 FWD 850 wagon be a suitable donor car to do the swap to my 98 V70 ? or do I need a 98 S70 or V70 only donor car I found one that I could go look at

[V50M66]

850 will work fine if you have the early evap system on your ‘98.

However if this thing is as tired as you say it is, maybe it’s worth picking up that P2. It’s a much better car overall if you just need a good daily, and a more fun transmission to boot

[bronco]

850 will work fine if you have the early evap system on your ‘98.

However if this thing is as tired as you say it is, maybe it’s worth picking up that P2. It’s a much better car overall if you just need a good daily, and a more fun transmission to boot

I agree, in general, i don't love the extra complication of the later cars , but losing the turbo and auto trans its probably a net gain in that area overall

P2 guy says someone else has first dibs , I won't know until the weekend I'm just looking at options in the mean time . he also has altered the info about the car a bit .I can't look at it until other interested party or parties pass on it.

I don't blame him, as a seller you just want the most money for your item

[bronco]

P2 guy has now gone crazy ! He doubled the asking price of the car , then knocked 1000 off then added 500 back on over the course of a few days .
I am out on that one full stop

[bronco]

You need Lesjofors 4295858 for Nivomat delete. Neither of the springs you listed are even for AWD.

It’ll be too low in the back and you’ll rub tire on inner fender and you’ll rub tire on the brake lines. This will be far exacerbated with bigger tires.

Just do it properly. Not expensive or hard.

54 each on fcp auto. I see them now but the first time I looked only front springs were coming up over there for a V70

on that part the note says

Nearly All AWD P80 chassis vehicles in the US got Nivomats with potentially the exception of some S70's. This is the spring to convert to standard rear shocks. Ride height is denoted by rear spring spacer, not total spring height. Use only with standard shocks.

Which begs the question , what spacer are they talking about?

I slapped my stub axles in and put the wheels back on . I didn't touch the springs and it has no shocks at all. Just to see what it looks like while I figure out if I'm buying another car and plus its in my way . I can drive it gingerly around the yard at least and put it out back while I await developments .
The ride height issue is interesting. I was thinking it was a purely up and down issue , I was thinking of one of my broncos with a straight axle I guess I forgot its an independent rear suspension. When you set it down on the ground now the tires are leaning in more at the top and therein lies the rub Maybe toeing in too for all I know

So anyway if I cant get a different driver or a FWD parts car I'll only be able to drive until my next sticker unless the inspector forgets to try the ebrake because both sides of the ebrake cant go back on as it stands and one side doesn't do me much good . So do I buy springs and shocks so I can drive 10 months or take the car off the road if I don't find a parts car in the next week or 3 is the question.

I don't mind buying shocks and springs to get 10 months or a FWD donor to get a few more years but I see no value in buying shocks springs and searching out AWD e brake stuff on top of that for this particular car only to have the engine or tranny go out next. It has probably 280,000 miles on it .
At least at slow speeds the stub axles do work to keep the wheels on and only cost me one grinding wheel plus $20 for 2 snap rings.
that I didn't anticipate the nivomat issue was , to pardon the expression "where the wheels fell off this project"

[abscate]

I’ve got a 1999 parts car with all the axle stuff you need. Do you have space for it? I can get it up there this fall.