What did you do to your Volvo today? Topic is solved

[bmdubya1198]

Agreed. My theory is maybe the water pump was damaged when the coolant partially froze but I don’t know why it would go downhill 3-5 weeks after the event. The belt teeth were still good so I am unsure how it snapped. May do an autopsy tomorrow by removing the belt cover. If the pump broke then it would explain the deluge of coolant that came out of the car. V70’s of any year are hard to find out here for cheaper and being back at school means I do not see it advisable to spend a lot. Might ask my mechanic to be on the lookout and wait a month till I push for a new car. I could go for an older s60 as I know it is an iterative improvement on the 5 cylinder engine. We will see. Part of what weighing in on this is the 2 parts cars I have up north. Might look into getting one running at the end of April we will see. It hasn’t been a great year thus far but one always looks up.

Hoping this isn’t the end of my time on this forum

I'd advise against early S60s unless it's a well kept manual transmission car. The autos were pretty bad, along with other typical old Volvo issues.
It sounds like the water pump may have seized up and possibly sheared off. That would certainly cause the coolant to dump out like that.

[yanga001]

Agreed. My theory is maybe the water pump was damaged when the coolant partially froze but I don’t know why it would go downhill 3-5 weeks after the event. The belt teeth were still good so I am unsure how it snapped. May do an autopsy tomorrow by removing the belt cover. If the pump broke then it would explain the deluge of coolant that came out of the car. V70’s of any year are hard to find out here for cheaper and being back at school means I do not see it advisable to spend a lot. Might ask my mechanic to be on the lookout and wait a month till I push for a new car. I could go for an older s60 as I know it is an iterative improvement on the 5 cylinder engine. We will see. Part of what weighing in on this is the 2 parts cars I have up north. Might look into getting one running at the end of April we will see. It hasn’t been a great year thus far but one always looks up.

Hoping this isn’t the end of my time on this forum

I'd advise against early S60s unless it's a well kept manual transmission car. The autos were pretty bad, along with other typical old Volvo issues.
It sounds like the water pump may have seized up and possibly sheared off. That would certainly cause the coolant to dump out like that.

Since the car would not crank my mechanic suspects it threw a rod or seized up. Maybe the water pump.

He says he could do an engine and transmission swap however it would be a while and I would need to transport the car.

He said he knows of an 06 black s70 awd that the owners may be selling for cheaper with lower kilometres. He also knows of a 00 v70 on sale if the owner can find a v60. The s60 is not mint interior but would be cheaper. The v70 may be a while. It looks like I will be without a car for a bit at this point.

I made a list of other issues with my car to help decide it’s fate:
Needs a new headliner( have a spare)
Steering knuckle is a bit seized/tough to turn(have a spare but mechanic said it is a difficult job)
Non oem exhaust
Driver side steering arm is worn needs to be replaced
Cruise control switch needs to be replaced
Rear makes a clunk sound in certain conditions
Rear bumper supports rusted through (have a new set waiting to go in)
Seats are ripped (have a spare r seat in another parts car).

I have a set of good winters and summers at 15inch which makes this a tougher decision. I think I will need to wait and see the cars. Gotta focus on studies again so we will see.

Thanks for the years of help on this forum, I am wondering if I want to part out the current cad, remove some parts or what. Maybe take out the useful parts and ask for a discount.

[yanga001]

Agreed. My theory is maybe the water pump was damaged when the coolant partially froze but I don’t know why it would go downhill 3-5 weeks after the event. The belt teeth were still good so I am unsure how it snapped. May do an autopsy tomorrow by removing the belt cover. If the pump broke then it would explain the deluge of coolant that came out of the car. V70’s of any year are hard to find out here for cheaper and being back at school means I do not see it advisable to spend a lot. Might ask my mechanic to be on the lookout and wait a month till I push for a new car. I could go for an older s60 as I know it is an iterative improvement on the 5 cylinder engine. We will see. Part of what weighing in on this is the 2 parts cars I have up north. Might look into getting one running at the end of April we will see. It hasn’t been a great year thus far but one always looks up.

Hoping this isn’t the end of my time on this forum

I'd advise against early S60s unless it's a well kept manual transmission car. The autos were pretty bad, along with other typical old Volvo issues.
It sounds like the water pump may have seized up and possibly sheared off. That would certainly cause the coolant to dump out like that.

Since the car would not crank my mechanic suspects it threw a rod or seized up. Maybe the water pump.

He says he could do an engine and transmission swap however it would be a while and I would need to transport the car.

He said he knows of an 06 black s70 awd that the owners may be selling for cheaper with lower kilometres. He also knows of a 00 v70 on sale if the owner can find a v60. The s60 is not mint interior but would be cheaper. The v70 may be a while. It looks like I will be without a car for a bit at this point.

I made a list of other issues with my car to help decide it’s fate:
Needs a new headliner( have a spare)
Steering knuckle is a bit seized/tough to turn(have a spare but mechanic said it is a difficult job)
Non oem exhaust
Driver side steering arm is worn needs to be replaced
Cruise control switch needs to be replaced
Rear makes a clunk sound in certain conditions
Rear bumper supports rusted through (have a new set waiting to go in)
Seats are ripped (have a spare r seat in another parts car).

I have a set of good winters and summers at 15inch which makes this a tougher decision. I think I will need to wait and see the cars. Gotta focus on studies again so we will see.

Thanks for the years of help on this forum, I am wondering if I want to part out the current cad, remove some parts or what. Maybe take out the useful parts and ask for a discount.

So as a final update I was wrong, took the belt cover off and the belt was in good condition. No stripped or shredded belt. What was odd is my water pump gear had thrusted outward and was bent at a 30 degree ish angle inwards. No idea how or why that happened on a newer pump. Guess the leak was coming from the water pump bearing?? Added a picture of it.

Popped the plugs out and the cylinders don’t have holes in them when looking from the top. Don’t have a camera on me but could tell atleast that.

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[bmdubya1198]

I'd advise against early S60s unless it's a well kept manual transmission car. The autos were pretty bad, along with other typical old Volvo issues.
It sounds like the water pump may have seized up and possibly sheared off. That would certainly cause the coolant to dump out like that.

Since the car would not crank my mechanic suspects it threw a rod or seized up. Maybe the water pump.

He says he could do an engine and transmission swap however it would be a while and I would need to transport the car.

He said he knows of an 06 black s70 awd that the owners may be selling for cheaper with lower kilometres. He also knows of a 00 v70 on sale if the owner can find a v60. The s60 is not mint interior but would be cheaper. The v70 may be a while. It looks like I will be without a car for a bit at this point.

I made a list of other issues with my car to help decide it’s fate:
Needs a new headliner( have a spare)
Steering knuckle is a bit seized/tough to turn(have a spare but mechanic said it is a difficult job)
Non oem exhaust
Driver side steering arm is worn needs to be replaced
Cruise control switch needs to be replaced
Rear makes a clunk sound in certain conditions
Rear bumper supports rusted through (have a new set waiting to go in)
Seats are ripped (have a spare r seat in another parts car).

I have a set of good winters and summers at 15inch which makes this a tougher decision. I think I will need to wait and see the cars. Gotta focus on studies again so we will see.

Thanks for the years of help on this forum, I am wondering if I want to part out the current cad, remove some parts or what. Maybe take out the useful parts and ask for a discount.

So as a final update I was wrong, took the belt cover off and the belt was in good condition. No stripped or shredded belt. What was odd is my water pump gear had thrusted outward and was bent at a 30 degree ish angle inwards. No idea how or why that happened on a newer pump. Guess the leak was coming from the water pump bearing?? Added a picture of it.

Popped the plugs out and the cylinders don’t have holes in them when looking from the top. Don’t have a camera on me but could tell atleast that.

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Yep, this is exactly what I was expecting to see. It certainly jumped timing and more than likely bent most of the valves. Bottom end damage is highly unlikely. Might want to price out a cylinder head job versus a replacement engine, but it sounds like your mechanic doesn't want to take on more major jobs like this, especially if he'd rather just swap the engine instead.
Abscate would have good input here.

[scot850]

Water pump shaft looks well bent. It may be one of the pumps where the shaft has come loose from the impeller or the bearing have failed. I think that may well be the reason for the failure. Bmdubya's advice is worth considering. Pistons don't often get damaged but vales to get damaged as Abscate can attest to.

A used engine may be cheaper, but unless you can hear it running how do you know it is good? The labor time to swap an engine is large.

Neil.

[yanga001]

Water pump shaft looks well bent. It may be one of the pumps where the shaft has come loose from the impeller or the bearing have failed. I think that may well be the reason for the failure. Bmdubya's advice is worth considering. Pistons don't often get damaged but vales to get damaged as Abscate can attest to.

A used engine may be cheaper, but unless you can hear it running how do you know it is good? The labor time to swap an engine is large.

Neil.

Thanks Neil.

I know my mechanic pretty well they said sub 2k for it all. I am thinking I may pasteurize this car until the summer. In the summer I will complete a head rebuild on the crashed cad and do a head swap or borrow an engine hoist and do the same. I’ll have a bit more time then and hopefully a bit more cash. I might resurrect this car as a project to make it look nicer and not have a daily that I also constantly work on. I don’t think this is the end of the car at all and will do as abscate did and treat this as a learning opportunity.

[scot850]

Absolutely!

Neil.

[ZionXIX]

That's insane. I never even considered a failure like that. New fear activated.

[FireFox31]

I don't see how the water pump pulley is at an angle. I've attached a picture of my 2000 V70 timing belt area. Can someone help me understand this failure?

yanga001, we hope you do choose to rebuild the engine as a learning exercise. It's nice to have you here so we hope that you stay. Good luck with your studies.

[bmdubya1198]

The bearing likely failed, causing it to fall down at an angle like that.