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Eliminate fuel cut T5

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Hello everyone,

Raising boost pressure by using a bleed valve on a T5 stock ECU will lead to ECU fuel cut already at around 0.8 bar (or somewhere around that).
With the injectors upgraded I personally belive that the lambda sensor is able to adjust fuel inject level up to above 0.8 bar.

Question: Is there a way to manipulate the MAF so that it will not tell the ECU that boost pressure is too high and thereby cut the fuel?

Thank you very much in advance

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Post by abscate »

ME7 measures boost pressure directly with a sensor on the intake tube just before the throttle body. You could fool it there , the pressure voltage map is documented in VIDA
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Except the OP is running a 96 850 T5, not a V/S70 so unlikely to be running ME7 and the car is not Vida compatible.

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I mean, my T5 that blew a motor would boost to the moon without fuel cut. And I'm not aware of the ecu being tuned. I kind of thought this was only a thing on ME7. Personally, if you already spent the money on upgraded parts, I would invest in a tune or learn how to tune.
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Post by madsking »

Thanks so far :)
I am pretty sure the fuel cut is a standard thing. I am experiencing it the same way with different ECU's
With that said I am running a 16T which might supply a bit more air at lower rpms than the stock which could mean the fuel cut kicks in faster but anyway that could be a huge topic itself.
And absolutely true I could invest in a proffessional tune but I am not planning to go crazy and thinking about the design with the lambda controlling the air/fuel mixture which should be able to handle it for at least 1.0 bar which would be a perfect level for me and this engine.

Additionally do you know if the fairly cheap pre-programed chips on the market have removed or raised that limit for fuel cut?
That could be an affortable compromise.

I do know that a blown engine is also expensive ;)

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Post by WhatAmIDoing »

I am by no means a tuning expert, or even a novice. But the stock ECU is expecting stock injectors and a stock turbo running stock boost. It can probably compensate for slightly higher boost pressures but without a tune or a way to monitor AFR, it's hard to say if it will be safe. My experience is limited to 98-99, but I could hit 0.8bar ~12PSI without experiencing fuel cut. But I also don't know if those ECUs were tuned.

I am not aware of any way other than a tune to adjust fuel cut. This is probably a better question for the Swedespeed forum (don't hate me Matt).
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Post by madsking »

Point taken :) I am also running white injectors and all together it of course confuses the ECU which you correctly say is expecting stock components..

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WhatAmIDoing wrote: 16 Mar 2023, 18:46This is probably a better question for the Swedespeed forum (don't hate me Matt).
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Post by matthew1 »

As far as fuel cut goes, I never had it, and my '97 850 boosted up to ~17psi. I had swapped injectors though... I can't remember if I experienced fuel cut before the different injectors.
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Post by Clemens »

I'd go for a tune by someone reputable. Anything else is gambling ...
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