Greetings,
Just returned home from failing emissions test due to well beyond max NO measurements indicating the engine is running too lean. Ran into this same issue 2 years prior when I became the owner.
At that time I replaced the catalytic converter (as existing was not CARB compliant), both O2 sensors and subsequently passed with flying colors.
In the interim I have replaced the PCV system (6 months ago) in addition to standard preventative maintenance.
I will occasionally get a CEL that will show DTC for SAS, but otherwise she runs very well at just over 260,000 miles. Any advice or suggestions are appreciated by the knowledgeable folks who frequent this awesome site.
‘97 850na Wagon failed smog test
-
SlowandSteady
- Posts: 6
- Joined: 11 September 2024
- Year and Model: 1997 850
- Location: Los Angeles
- Has thanked: 1 time
- erikv11
- Posts: 11800
- Joined: 25 July 2009
- Year and Model: 850, V70, S60R, XC70
- Location: Iowa
- Has thanked: 292 times
- Been thanked: 765 times
Do you know if the O2 sensors were Bosch? If they are aftermarket, after two years it would not be surprising if one of them was bad already.
'95 854 T-5R, Motronic 4.4, 185k
'98 V70, T5 tune-injectors-turbo, LPT engine, 304k, daily driver
'06 S60 R, 197k
'07 XC70, black, 205k
'07 XC70, willow green, 212k
'99 Camry V6
153k
gone: '96 NA 850 210k, '98 NA V70 182k, '98 S70 NA 225k, '96 855 NA 169k
'98 V70, T5 tune-injectors-turbo, LPT engine, 304k, daily driver
'06 S60 R, 197k
'07 XC70, black, 205k
'07 XC70, willow green, 212k
'99 Camry V6
gone: '96 NA 850 210k, '98 NA V70 182k, '98 S70 NA 225k, '96 855 NA 169k
- abscate
- MVS Moderator
- Posts: 35288
- Joined: 17 February 2013
- Year and Model: 99: V70s S70s,05 V70
- Location: Port Jefferson Long Island NY
- Has thanked: 1502 times
- Been thanked: 3817 times
You’ve probably got some vacuum leaks making you run lean, which will max out the NOx
Empty Nester
A Captain in a Sea of Estrogen
1999-V70-T5M56 2005-V70-M56 1999-S70 VW T4 XC90-in-Red
Link to Maintenance record thread
A Captain in a Sea of Estrogen
1999-V70-T5M56 2005-V70-M56 1999-S70 VW T4 XC90-in-Red
Link to Maintenance record thread
-
SlowandSteady
- Posts: 6
- Joined: 11 September 2024
- Year and Model: 1997 850
- Location: Los Angeles
- Has thanked: 1 time
Both O2 sensors were replaced with Bosch (15097/15062). Strongly considering doing the same as that enabled the wagon to pass emissions 2 years ago. Any thoughts on the secondary air injection valve causing premature o2 sensor failure? Or is 2 years their typical life span?
In the meantime I will investigate vacuum leaks.
Thank you erikv11 and abscate!
In the meantime I will investigate vacuum leaks.
Thank you erikv11 and abscate!
- erikv11
- Posts: 11800
- Joined: 25 July 2009
- Year and Model: 850, V70, S60R, XC70
- Location: Iowa
- Has thanked: 292 times
- Been thanked: 765 times
SAS problems will not affect O2 sensor lifespan.SlowandSteady wrote: ↑12 Sep 2024, 08:56 Any thoughts on the secondary air injection valve causing premature o2 sensor failure? Or is 2 years their typical life span?
The Bosch units should last well over two year, I would expect them to be working fine.
'95 854 T-5R, Motronic 4.4, 185k
'98 V70, T5 tune-injectors-turbo, LPT engine, 304k, daily driver
'06 S60 R, 197k
'07 XC70, black, 205k
'07 XC70, willow green, 212k
'99 Camry V6
153k
gone: '96 NA 850 210k, '98 NA V70 182k, '98 S70 NA 225k, '96 855 NA 169k
'98 V70, T5 tune-injectors-turbo, LPT engine, 304k, daily driver
'06 S60 R, 197k
'07 XC70, black, 205k
'07 XC70, willow green, 212k
'99 Camry V6
gone: '96 NA 850 210k, '98 NA V70 182k, '98 S70 NA 225k, '96 855 NA 169k
-
SlowandSteady
- Posts: 6
- Joined: 11 September 2024
- Year and Model: 1997 850
- Location: Los Angeles
- Has thanked: 1 time
Copy. Thanks again.
Not sure if it is relevant as I am not very savvy with the app (850 OBD2) as I have only previously used it to obtain accurate odometer reading and reset maintenance.
Yesterday I ran a scan utilizing the app and it is only showing “Bank 1 Sensor 1 present” in regard to o2 sensor location.
Not sure if it is relevant as I am not very savvy with the app (850 OBD2) as I have only previously used it to obtain accurate odometer reading and reset maintenance.
Yesterday I ran a scan utilizing the app and it is only showing “Bank 1 Sensor 1 present” in regard to o2 sensor location.
- abscate
- MVS Moderator
- Posts: 35288
- Joined: 17 February 2013
- Year and Model: 99: V70s S70s,05 V70
- Location: Port Jefferson Long Island NY
- Has thanked: 1502 times
- Been thanked: 3817 times
Can the app read fuel trims on that engine, anyone?
Empty Nester
A Captain in a Sea of Estrogen
1999-V70-T5M56 2005-V70-M56 1999-S70 VW T4 XC90-in-Red
Link to Maintenance record thread
A Captain in a Sea of Estrogen
1999-V70-T5M56 2005-V70-M56 1999-S70 VW T4 XC90-in-Red
Link to Maintenance record thread
-
jmartin919
- Posts: 298
- Joined: 12 July 2013
- Year and Model: S70 GLT SE 2000
- Location: Durham, NC
- Has thanked: 94 times
- Been thanked: 39 times
Aleksi can help you with the app: [email protected]
Email him directly.
Email him directly.
'00 S70 GLT SE
'82 MB 380SL
'11 MB E350 Sport
'84 Chevy C10
'93 850 GLT NA SOLD
'82 MB 380SL
'11 MB E350 Sport
'84 Chevy C10
'93 850 GLT NA SOLD
- erikv11
- Posts: 11800
- Joined: 25 July 2009
- Year and Model: 850, V70, S60R, XC70
- Location: Iowa
- Has thanked: 292 times
- Been thanked: 765 times
That's a front oxygen sensor code. This code is not usually indicating problems with the front sensor, though, Plus you just replaced it with a good Bosch unit (Although it wasn't from eBay right? Lots of Bosch counterfeits there, they have been called Genuine Rupert Busch"
). Fuel trim reads will help you pinpoint a vacuum leak issue. Note that SAS is hooked into the vacuum line system, a leak there can cause this code.
This code is usually caused by one of:
vacuum leak (extremely common)
>> inspect all vacuum hoses; consider just replacing them all because 30 year old rubber tends to crumble or turn to mush (viewtopic.php?t=65002)
exhaust manifold leak (common)
>> you need to closely inspect the manifold for cracks and listen for leaks; this is not easy to detect. Even a small crack in the flex pipe between the exhaust manifold and the catalytic converter
dirty or underperforming MAF sensor (uncommon)
>> first step is to clean it. you must use "MAF cleaner" or similar electronic parts cleaner. I used to think cleaning the MAF was useless but have become a bele=iever after finally having a couple actually, dirty MAF sensors on our cars. The air flow detection wire pretty much has to be visibly dirty to need cleaning. This is done by removing the MAF, visibly inspecting the wire. Never touch the sensor wire with anything except MAF cleaner.
This code is usually caused by one of:
vacuum leak (extremely common)
>> inspect all vacuum hoses; consider just replacing them all because 30 year old rubber tends to crumble or turn to mush (viewtopic.php?t=65002)
exhaust manifold leak (common)
>> you need to closely inspect the manifold for cracks and listen for leaks; this is not easy to detect. Even a small crack in the flex pipe between the exhaust manifold and the catalytic converter
dirty or underperforming MAF sensor (uncommon)
>> first step is to clean it. you must use "MAF cleaner" or similar electronic parts cleaner. I used to think cleaning the MAF was useless but have become a bele=iever after finally having a couple actually, dirty MAF sensors on our cars. The air flow detection wire pretty much has to be visibly dirty to need cleaning. This is done by removing the MAF, visibly inspecting the wire. Never touch the sensor wire with anything except MAF cleaner.
'95 854 T-5R, Motronic 4.4, 185k
'98 V70, T5 tune-injectors-turbo, LPT engine, 304k, daily driver
'06 S60 R, 197k
'07 XC70, black, 205k
'07 XC70, willow green, 212k
'99 Camry V6
153k
gone: '96 NA 850 210k, '98 NA V70 182k, '98 S70 NA 225k, '96 855 NA 169k
'98 V70, T5 tune-injectors-turbo, LPT engine, 304k, daily driver
'06 S60 R, 197k
'07 XC70, black, 205k
'07 XC70, willow green, 212k
'99 Camry V6
gone: '96 NA 850 210k, '98 NA V70 182k, '98 S70 NA 225k, '96 855 NA 169k
-
SlowandSteady
- Posts: 6
- Joined: 11 September 2024
- Year and Model: 1997 850
- Location: Los Angeles
- Has thanked: 1 time
I will be emailing Aleksi for insight regarding the app. I mentioned the “bank 1 sensor 1 present” message as I thought it odd that there was no mention of the 2nd (downstream) o2 sensor. Both sensors were purchased from my local auto parts store so hoping that they are not counterfeits.
I will definitely be taking a close look at all of the vacuum lines with zero hesitation thanks to the next level post/tutorial. In addition to inspecting for exhaust leak(s) and cleaning the MAF. Thanks again!
I will definitely be taking a close look at all of the vacuum lines with zero hesitation thanks to the next level post/tutorial. In addition to inspecting for exhaust leak(s) and cleaning the MAF. Thanks again!
-
- Similar Topics
- Replies
- Views
- Last post






