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850 and S/V/C70 non-turbo vacuum lines

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Volvo Repair Database 850 and S/V/C70 non-turbo vacuum lines

Post by erikv11 » Wed Jul 30, 2014 7:30 pm

As a companion to a similar thread for turbo cars (http://www.matthewsvolvosite.com/forums ... hp?t=63615), here is a thread dedicated to documenting the vacuum lines in the non-turbo (NA) 850 and 98 S/V/C70. I know that what I am posting here is good for 95+ without EGR, someone else will have to help out with 93 and 94 differences and/or for EGR.

First the stickers, then the photographs.
For cars still equipped with SAS:
IMG_1980.JPG
The simpler diagram for cars without SAS:
IMG_1985.JPG
If by chance you got a vehicle with SAS, you may wish to delete the whole system. Now. Do a search, it is very cheap and very easy. If you are queasy about deleting emissions equipment, consider that about half of the cars shipped with it, half without; would you go out and install the expensive and finicky SAS parts if you happened to get a car without it? By now the SAS is usually not working properly anyway.

So this post will cover non-SAS vehicles only, none of my cars have SAS. Maybe someone else can post up the SAS info.

There are basically 8 vacuum lines in the engine bay to deal with:
1 - vacuum tree to the fuel pressure regulator (FPR)
2 - vacuum tree to the airbox cover, upper nipple
3 - intake manifold (IM) nipple to the flame trap nipple
4 - throttle body nipple to the purge valve
5 - purge valve to the charcoal canister
6 - airbox cover, lower nipple, to the bottom half of the airbox
7 - fitting on the throttle body to the brake booster
8 - cruise control pump back through the firewall

Here the eight lines are marked on the diagram:
IMG_1985_annot.jpg
Now, some pics. Most of these images are from a non-running car out in my driveway, so the engine bay is dirty and the battery is missing etc. However I installed fresh, red, silicone vac lines just before the car stopped being used so they are easy to see.
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Start with the vacuum tree, note that three ports/nipples are capped and two have vac lines on them (lines 1 and 2):
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IMG_1972_123 zoom.jpg
IMG_1970_124 overview.jpg
Where line 1 attaches to the FPR, is nearby to one end of line 3:
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Line 3 "starts" at the nipple on the intake manifold. This one can be a PITA to work with, and note that silicone line is NOT recommended in this application as it will sweat oil and get all slimy. Use a generic 3/16 rubber vacuum line here.
IMG_1993_3zoom.jpg
Line 3 can be routed over, under, around the intake manifold, whatever works, so that the other end attaches to a plastic nipple on the flame trap. Here are some pictures of that from other vehicles. The first pic shows the flame trap housing out of the car and opened up. The piece with all the little holes is the flame trap insert. If the insert is still in your car, remove it and throw it away, all it does is get clogged up. Then just close up the housing. The white hose in the pic is what we are calling line 3 here, it is connected to the flame trap nipple.
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Here is a shot of line 3 (in generic 3/16 vac line) attached to a flame trap housing that is in the car; note that the distributor cap is removed from this vehicle, so you can see the back end of the intake cam in the lower right corner:
IMG_1844_3atflametrap.jpg
Line 2 runs from the tree over to the top of the air box, where we also get a look at line 6 that goes from the air box top around to the air box bottom:
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From directly overhead you can again see line 4, it starts at a nipple on the intake and heads to the radiator fan shroud where is connects to a purge valve:
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IMG_1986_4purgev.jpg
Note that the purge valve can be round or square, this car has the round type. And then off the bottom of the purge valve we have line 5, I do not have documentation of the other end of line 5 at the charcoal canister:
IMG_2008_5.jpg
And finally line 7 is a thick-walled line from the intake/throttle body over to the brake booster. From the factory, this line was black and very thick. A thick silicone line works well here too, or you can go with rubber:
IMG_1977_71.jpg
Line 7 meets a connector under the airbox, I did not remove the airbox to document that.
IMG_1978_edit_7.jpg
I have a couple shots of line 8 but they are not very good so I did not post them. The cruise control pump mounts on the bottom of the battery tray, and has one vacuum line that runs back and through the firewall.
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Re: 850 and S/V/C70 non-turbo vacuum lines

Post by matthew1 » Wed Jul 30, 2014 8:34 pm

I'll crosslink to this from the turbo vac lines post and VRD entry. Great post, Erik.

EDIT: I see you already did :-) I'll add one up top.
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Re: 850 and S/V/C70 non-turbo vacuum lines

Post by abscate » Thu Jul 31, 2014 3:34 am

Nicely donee thanks Erik!


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Re: 850 and S/V/C70 non-turbo vacuum lines

Post by thedjerk » Fri Aug 01, 2014 12:18 pm

Thanks a lot, Erik. I'm sure I'm not the only one who's been dying for this post.



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Re: 850 and S/V/C70 non-turbo vacuum lines

Post by sunstate850owner » Sat Aug 02, 2014 4:35 pm

Great post Erik. I have been hoping for this info for a long time. I have a long standing cel that comes up as "long term and short term fuel trim" that I am counting on being a vacuum leak. I'll know soon thanks to you! One small piece of info that would be handy for having the vac lines on hand before popping the hood - what size(s) are they? and where did you get that cool red line? My car is a 95 850 that just cracked 200K miles and I keep it running based on info from this site. Thanks Mathew!



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Re: 850 and S/V/C70 non-turbo vacuum lines

Post by erikv11 » Wed Aug 13, 2014 11:20 pm

The silicone looks cool (it typically comes in red, blue or black), is easy to work with and will last forever, but rubber is much cheaper and will last for several years. You can't really go wrong either way but if you buy silicone it is worth buying from a reputable vendor, some of the lines on eBay are very thin walled and maybe not worth your time.

Here are notes about the sizes, everything is listed in terms of ID (inside diameter).

Lines 1, 2, 5, 6 and 8: For these I use all the same, small diameter line. I know for a fact that either 3.5 mm (9/64 inch) or 4 mm (5/32 inch) works well in all of these locations. If you go with 4 mm you may want to ensure some attachments with a small ziptie or a clamp. Tighten sensibly, don't overly squish the silicone with metal clamps.

Line 3: Use 3/16 rubber vacuum line. Don't use silicone; it will work OK but it will sweat oil and make a mess. 4 feet is more than enough for a non-turbo car, it will be inexpensive.

Line 4: This line is 6 mm (1/4 inch).

Line 7: This brake booster line is 8 mm ID (5/16 inch). Be sure to use something thick-walled here. No cheapo hoses allowed, it's your brakes. Fuel line is good if you go with rubber.

For lengths you're going to have to go out and measure if you want to be sure. Offhand, for one car I would probably get 15 feet of the smallest, then 3 feet of the 6 mm and 3 feet of the 8 mm. That's overkill on all of them but a little leftover can be handy later on. Cost before shipping would be about $25. You could probably get that down to $16 if you measured.

I bought the silicone line in the pics from another forum user, who had it left over from one of the "kits" you can find. But I did later buy more of the small (4 mm) line from siiconeintakes.

So I would recommend either go with straight rubber hoses (any auto parts store) or for immortalized hoses go with siliconeintakes (http://www.siliconeintakes.com/), look for the "Boost/Vacuum Hose" link. Their prices are among the lowest out there ($1.00 to $1.50 per foot for the sizes listed here), shipping is fast, and most importantly the quality is excellent. Their lines are very thick walled which is more important on a turbo vehicle, but still a nice way to go on the NA. And essential for the brake booster.


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Re: 850 and S/V/C70 non-turbo vacuum lines

Post by fiore67 » Mon Oct 20, 2014 4:16 pm

From the tree where does # 2 go to.



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Re: 850 and S/V/C70 non-turbo vacuum lines

Post by FLXC90 » Mon Oct 20, 2014 5:28 pm

On the back side of the air cleaner housing, there should be two vacuum nipples in what looks like a clamp. Number two is the upper nipple. the lower will route down to the the bottom of the airbox, where the preheater duct comes from the exhaust. (#6 in the pictures) This connects to the preheat air thermostat for the airbox.


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Re: 850 and S/V/C70 non-turbo vacuum lines

Post by John850GLT » Sun Dec 28, 2014 7:47 pm

Finally, a source! Thank you! On a possibly related topic:

Although I am sure my P0133 code (slow O2 sensor Bank 1 sensor 1) is due to my deteriorating headliner (what else is left to check?, and I've checked plenty), your posting lets me know my vacuum tree is correctly done, and that's a relief.
I can find no more vacuum line leaks, nor any exhaust leak. Both sensors replaced with Bosch OEM by previous owner at 138,000, and I at 170,000 (5 years later), but that code dogs me. My then-mechanic didn't record the code(s) coming up for that job, and I then knew no better, so will replace front again after checking the brake boost line for integrity.
Car runs very well, but mileage dropping. Never a stutter or hard start (until I reconnected my pre-heat hose-sadly, valve in air mix box can't be replaced, as recorded also by Jim Peisker in his postings on his '97 wagon).
If anyone has this code issue, and any insight, would much appreciate help. I've read the web to death on this, but that doesn't mean I didn't miss the obvious or the posted.

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Re: 850 and S/V/C70 non-turbo vacuum lines

Post by joe_pinehill » Mon Dec 29, 2014 5:16 am

thanks for the informative post, definitely one for the archives, and PDF'ing to save locally! Its timely for me, I was cleaning the throttle body and notice Line 3 needs to be replaced. A combination of oil and being routed right under the throttle body linkage. The linkage looks like it rubs against the line. The result is after years, the end by the flametrap is gummy and has a hole.

Can line three be replaced without taking the fuel rail and intake manifold off? Can I snake a new line under intake manifold? Will the original have clamps on it under the manifold or should the line simple be able to be pulled out by pulling the end attached to the intake manifold nipple?


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