Hydrogen Generators on Volvos

nisan17 · Post by **nisan17** » 02 Jun 2008, 16:40

Is anyone using or used a hydrogen generator? A friend of a friend showed me what he made and WOW! His mileage went from 27mpg to 44mpg in his buick.

After questioning him and doing some research on the internet I'm going to probably buy/make two for starters.

They seem to be of a very basic principle and design and work on just about every make and model of a car.

Just wanted to hear from Volvo aficionados.

I'm spending anywhere from $700 to over $900 a month in fuel. I don't want to be a bottom feeder anymore to the oil companies.

Thank you

waynej · Post by **waynej** » 12 Jun 2008, 11:14

I too have talked to many people who have had mileage increases of 45 to 50%. Your friends 63% is really great. Did he use some type of O2 signal modifier circuit with the hydrogen generator?

I am currently building one for my 93 850. I am surprised more Volvo owners are not dong this.

Post by **MadeInJapan** » 12 Jun 2008, 12:38

The general consensus among Volvo owners is that brown's gas or the hydrogen you make by way of the car's batter/alternator is bunk.
Here, check this out...and add to it if you will. https://www.matthewsvolvosite.com/chat/p ... hp?t=15376
I am being open minded and would like to know first hand if this really works. Pictures and your modding process would be great as a thread here in the Modifying section!

outlaw6bob · Post by **outlaw6bob** » 16 Jun 2008, 10:41

I've been getting greener ever since gas started going up from $.95 when I was in high school. I came to work today and ran into an engineer I hadn't seen in about a year. I was talking to him about energy topics and he brings up that he built his own hybrid Cavalier.

He has a system set up to separate the hydrogen and oxygen from water using electric from the alternator. He was saying that he modded the O2 sensor. The hydrogen is then fed into the intake. He claims fuel economy has gone from 28 to 50 mpg with a noticeable increase in power. He's in town all this week, I'm gonna check his rig out and see what this is all about.

He also mentioned that he is getting an intake manifold machined for a conversion to all hydrogen. He's just gonna build a bigger hydrogen generator.

nisan17 · Post by **nisan17** » 16 Jun 2008, 13:11

In regards to WayneJ:
I'm not sure what my friend has as far as components. He said that he's got about 4k into several designs and knows pretty much what is needed and what works. He's still trying to tweek his system.

I want to buy a system that is proven. I don't want to buy plans and build a system. I don't have the time to dink around. I don't want to wait till my friend's system is perfected.

Here is a site that seems to have it down to a science.
http://www.energyempire.com/hafc.html

I'm going to read some more on this Volvo site and see what some are doing before I buy any kit.

outlaw6bob · Post by **outlaw6bob** » 16 Jun 2008, 16:01

So nitrous oxide can rip a motor apart because it adds oxygen to the regular atmosphere and creates more power. If you introduce oxygen and hydrogen into regular air and do the same thing won't that wear on you engine? I haven't seen any mention on the net as weather or not one of these hybrid setups is bad for engine life.

nisan17 · Post by **nisan17** » 17 Jun 2008, 08:27

My research shows that there is no nitrous oxide involved. It has to do with taking the water molecule and breaking the hydrogen molecule from that and burning it along with gasoline, hence burning water,. The only emission is water. Cleaner engine, longer lasting engine. The onboard car computer is tricked into thinking(with the supplemental computer) that the mixture is right.

outlaw6bob · Post by **outlaw6bob** » 17 Jun 2008, 09:24

That wasn't really what I meant. An engine wears quicker when you compare a nitrous engine to a stock motor. Since introducing the oxygen and hydrogen into the air is kinda the same thing, what kind of wear can be expected when comparing a water burning motor and a stock engine?

nisan17 · Post by **nisan17** » 17 Jun 2008, 15:49

According to the websites, wear isn't increased. No emissions, no pollution in the crank, no gunk on th valves etc. I'm sure NO2 has emissions, and added stress on stock engines.

The http://www.energyempire.com/hafc.html explains the how HH02 combusts compared to regular gas. So, you can kind of figure where N02 plays into.

waynej · Post by **waynej** » 19 Jun 2008, 10:10

Bob, You are confusing apples and oranges. Nitrous oxide is only used in racing engines and in conjunction with greatly increased fuel flow. This allows racers to get 2 or more times the normal max horsepower, but only for a few seconds at a time or the engine will melt!

This is pretty much the opposite of what we are doing. Adding the HHO/water vapor mix to the normal air/fuel mixture actually lowers combustion temperatures and causes more complete combustion of the fuel at the same time (sounds like magic). Engines running on 100% HHO produce slightly less horsepower than gasoline engines. I don't see how adding hydrogen boost to an engine could shorten it's life, it might even lengthen it slightly.

Could you let us know some details on what your friend has built. It sounds like he is getting more than the 50% increase most people are getting. You said he is using a O2 sensor extender as we all are, but is he using a PWM? If he is, is he using signal from the AMM,Rpm or TPS to control the PWM output?
Thanks