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Drove some new cars today...

Post by jblackburn »

I don't THINK Matt will excommunicate me for this - he's about as much of a "car guy" as I am, and we've shared a few stories about what we've driven and owned in the past - so here's my thoughts on one I'd been wanting to look at for some time.

I was running some errands and stopped by a VW dealership today. My dad actually bought his Saab from this dealer way, way back in 1985. Unfortunately they no longer sell those; I would have loved to have driven a new one.

I was looking at the 2011 VW Jetta. Specifically, the 2.5 and TDI versions - I wanted to drive one of the 2.0T's, but they aren't putting that in the Jetta until next year sometime, and it will start at around $28K - too much for me.

The 2.5 5-cylinder engine has a TON of get up and go for a non-turbo car. Floorboarding it, even with the 6-speed auto, the thing takes off like a rocket. It's quiet, too - it does have the nice exhaust note of a Volvo 5-cylinder at the top of the rev range, but absolutely none of that vibration or low-speed coarseness that I've come to associate with them.

Then it was time for the TDI in a 6-speed manual (actually a Golf). This is the best engine I have driven in a long time, and there is just gobs of torque (only 140 hp, but nearly 236 ft-lbs of torque; nearly what my S70 T5 has) EVERYWHERE. No turbo lag whatsoever. The three things that impressed me the most, though: 1) NO DIESEL smell whatsoever from the car while it was running. 2) Very, very quiet. I've always thought of diesels as the old, loud Mercedes engines - even the old VW TDIs were smoky, loud, underpowered things. As it revs, it sounds just like a gasoline engine - all the way up to 4000 RPM (I didn't go past that). 3) It's amazingly smooth, and prodding the gas pedal in the slightest, even in 4th gear, instantly takes you up 10 mph easily. I accelerated from 45-55 without even realizing it within a few seconds. It makes you feel like you're going much slower than you actually are.

The 6-speed manual was a seriously great transmission - the clutch wasn't grabby at all like a lot of newer manuals that I've driven, and the gears shifted smoothly with a finger. The 6-speed auto was very quick to shift in sport mode - it also automatically downshifts as you slow down to keep the revs up so you'll have power immediately; regular drive works like 'E' mode in the Volvo; up shifting as soon as you'll let it to conserve fuel.

The body roll on the Jetta is handled very well; it definitely leans a lot less than my Volvo in the corners while taking bumps, etc very well too. Durham has absolutely amazingly bad roads, but I felt like I was in control of it the entire time. Unfortunately, their tires weren't anywhere near as good as what I've got on the Volvo - they broke loose much sooner. It was pretty funny that the sales guy was encouraging me to drive like a maniac; power seems to be one of their selling points for both models. A good car should be fun to drive - something some manufacturers (Toyota) don't even consider.

I will say that I seriously liked them and depending on the way things turn out in my near future, may consider putting in an order for one. I did like the interior of the old Jettas a little better, but the new model is well thought out even if the dash/console materials aren't as plush as the 2010 models. And they're good-looking.

Next on my list is the 2012 Civic - they look like a promising, fun car. For now, I'm still perfectly happy with my Volvo - it still puts a big, stupid grin on my face just about every time I drive it :mrgreen:
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Post by FCPEURO »

Nice review, I almost got the TDi golf if it wasn't for how long it was going to take to come in.

Also, I am glad to hear the Jetta is not a told bummer like I heard it was being they cheapened the car up. How were the brakes on the Jetta? I noticed that they have drums in the back now.

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Post by jblackburn »

I stuck with the SE model that comes in around $23K, which I (think) still has disc brakes all the way around - and they're quite good.

I have heard that the base models - priced to compete with basic Toyota Corolla CE's and the like - feel pretty cheap on the inside. This one had the leather seats, in-dash car control system that hooked up to my iPhone through bluetooth or a dock in the glovebox - which I have to admit was pretty cool; I use a tape connector in my car :mrgreen: , steering wheel controls, heated seats/mirrors, and all the goodies. I was surprised to still find manual seats, but I suppose they had to keep the price manageable.

VW's have always had that solid-built feel to them though; my college roommate had a 2004 Jetta with the cloth interior, but it was just a fantastic interior. Aside from the hideous 2.0 4-cylinder engine, which has returned to the base models after some time in the scrap pile - basically unchanged from earlier iterations. It's just awful.
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Post by FCPEURO »

That is good to hear that if you get a better model then base, that the jetta is still good quality. After having disc breaks on all my cars except one, I could never go back to drum brakes in the rear. If I remember correctly, the one car I had with drums in the rear did not stop for ish.

On a side note, I totally feel you with the tape adapter. I was rocking that in my 850 for years. It worked a lot better then the FM modulator I had to use in the SR. The Subaru I have has an AUX in which is the best so I am happy now.

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Post by matthew1 »

Thanks for that review, Justin.

FWIW, I will own a GTI one day, new/used doesn't matter. You can't have a 22-year-old itch and die without scratching it.
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Post by jblackburn »

Oh, I almost drove a GTI just to try out the manual transmission - but I didn't want to tempt myself with something I couldn't afford :mrgreen:

I went there wanting to look at the Jetta GLI, which doesn't exist for the new model yet. I would have been drooling over it; I've driven a 1.8T in a Beetle before, and it was tons of fun. The 2.0T has got to be even better.

So I drove the TDI Golf instead. Probably the right decision. They're surprisingly spacious inside - there's plenty of legroom in the back seat of a Golf for me (granted I'm about 5'7", but the back of my friends' Integra and the few that have Civics are TINY).
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Post by FCPEURO »

Matt; I feel the way you feel about the Golf GTI, for the Golf TDi. I just love that car and will have one some day. I may even go with the Audi A3 TDi just for the kicks.

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