it's me again, CRAZY GIRL, one more thing.....

seamansteph · Post by **seamansteph** » 19 Aug 2005, 00:12

Hello Guys! My car is running, one of you sweeties, sent me one all the way from Arizona for free! Thanks Again! No Stalling!!!!! Does anyone remember me telling you that my flame trap hab been cracked, by that jackass mechanic ? Guesss what he did & failed to tell me? Anyone??? He put epoxy on it to hold it togather & yesterday my car started smoking!!!!! Now where can I go & just by this piece rather than wait for the mail????? PPPPLEASE?? I'm in Atlanta .
Feel free to just email me direct at [email protected]

Post by **kelvin6** » 19 Aug 2005, 01:20

Uh, I'm not sure if the flame trap is causing the smoking, but anyways, you can try a local volvo dealership (the cost will be several time higher than if you ordered through the internet). Most auto stores may carry the part, but many of them are special order only (some won't even know what the heck you're talking about (in that case, its a PCV valve)).

www.fcpgroton.com - order from here and it cost you less than a buck, but then shipping will be more than the product itself

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Anyways, it's good to hear that your Volvo isn't stalling anymore! Now you can begin enjoying it.

White850Turbo · Post by **White850Turbo** » 19 Aug 2005, 02:56

I sent you one from Texas. Glad to hear you got it running

. Even at the dealer, the flame trap should cost you no more than a few bucks. I need to reply to that last e-mail you sent as well. Will do very soon; been

Guest · Post by **Guest** » 24 Aug 2005, 21:16

From the Bay 13 web site:

http://www.volvospeed.com/Repair/ftrap.php

After the instructions for replacing the flame trap,

"Note that in 1998 Volvo stopped putting the flame trap in the housing, it came from the factory without the white plastic flame arrestor in car. This brings up the question a lot of times is it needed at all in the 1993-1997 models. I've never seen an "official" message from Volvo on this, so what happens at the dealer, if the car came with it we put it in when we do PCV maintenance. Could you leave it out, my guess is yes."

My wife's 1998 S70 has the same engine as my 1996 850. Both were dealer serviced until out of warranty and neither has a flame trap. 130k miles on the 850 and 91k miles on the S70.

I'll second the recommendation for fcpgroton.com.

Guest · Post by **Guest** » 25 Aug 2005, 08:11

Yeah, my Flame Trap has been removed for over 100 days now since I cleaned my Throttle Body. (The FT is in the black elbow you have to remove to get to the TB. 94 850 non-turbo (Turbos don't have them).

greeselightning · Post by **greeselightning** » 25 Aug 2005, 18:28

What is the function of the flame trap anyway? If you remove it, will you get any performance gains, possible engine out of tolerance specs, or possible rubber/component meltdowns?

Post by **dosbricks** » 25 Aug 2005, 21:10

greeselightning wrote:What is the function of the flame trap anyway? If you remove it, will you get any performance gains, possible engine out of tolerance specs, or possible rubber/component meltdowns?

I don't pretend to know the thought process of swedish engineers, but the name would suggest that if there was a backfire in the TB (not likely) the flame trap might keep the oil in the PCV elbow from catching on fire (pure speculation on my part).

If the TB and PCV are kept clean, I doubt there is any benefit to having one or any negative to not having it. Our S70 doesn't have one either, so Volvo must have come to that conclusion.

Guest · Post by **Guest** » 26 Aug 2005, 13:56

dosbricks wrote:
greeselightning wrote:What is the function of the flame trap anyway? If you remove it, will you get any performance gains, possible engine out of tolerance specs, or possible rubber/component meltdowns?
I don't pretend to know the thought process of swedish engineers, but the name would suggest that if there was a backfire in the TB (not likely) the flame trap might keep the oil in the PCV elbow from catching on fire (pure speculation on my part).

If the TB and PCV are kept clean, I doubt there is any benefit to having one or any negative to not having it. Our S70 doesn't have one either, so Volvo must have come to that conclusion.

I think I read that was precisely the rationale for the FT in non-turbos. My '94 850 has never backfired but engineers always design safety factors in. But sometimes leave out other obvious safety considerations, uh like, if your Volvo suddenly stalls out while you're traveling down the road or coming to a stop, that's a rear end accident on either end of the car just waiting to happen!!!!!!!!. (power steering and p. brakes loss). See 'Official Engine Stalling Thread' sticky.

greeselightning · Post by **greeselightning** » 26 Aug 2005, 15:25

Thanks for the explaination/reasoning behind the FT.

Ya learn sumptin new everyday.....

seamansteph · Post by **seamansteph** » 29 Aug 2005, 19:45

sweet then I will just take it out! Thanks again
Stephanie