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96 850 GLT starter. 1.7kw? 1.4kw?

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96 850 GLT starter. 1.7kw? 1.4kw?

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Having starter trouble - I think.
After normal starting and driving one morning, car won't start in the afternoon. full power inside, lights, dash, radio, etc, but no crank. It SEEMS like little or NO click when key is turned to start.
12.55V at battery, and had it tested for CCA. 11.8V at positive lead on starter solenoid when key is turned, which should rule out faulty ignition and PNP. Tried smacking starter with hammer, but no luck. Not much room to get a good swing, tho.
Two Questions: First of all, looking for reputable junkyard starters, I am asked if I want 1.7kw or 1.4kw. Some of the aftermarket sites give the same choice. I don't see where that information is available to me. Anyone know?
I wonder if I am wise to save money with a used OEM Bosch starter, but I feel more confidence in that than a remanufactured, or off-brand autoparts starter.
Second: I have been having trouble with the voltage regulator for a while, I am currently limping with one that provides adequate charging for light usage, but needed a little help from a trickle charger overnight in the colder wet months when more accessories were in use. Would a weak VR have affected the starter in any way? I bought an offbrand VR from a supposedly reliable aftermarket site, but it failed testing once in the vehicle, so I replaced with a used VR which has issues, but works.
I have browsed this forum for second-hand advice concerning testing procedures to identify my problem, and really appreciate the support I have seen. I have owned and enjoyed many Volvos over the years: a P1800, 122's, 140's, and now my 850. I'm just a poor boy trying to keep my beloved Volvo on the road and safe. I would love to hear from you.
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Re: 96 850 GLT starter. 1.7kw? 1.4kw?

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1.7kw will be a more powerful starter.
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Re: 96 850 GLT starter. 1.7kw? 1.4kw?

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Ok, thank you. I thought that I could only use one or the othe, not that either would work
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Re: 96 850 GLT starter. 1.7kw? 1.4kw?

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Use Bosch website, you should get some decent results:

https://www.boschautoparts.com/auto
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Re: 96 850 GLT starter. 1.7kw? 1.4kw?

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0.7 volt drop at the solenoid with key on (not cranking?) is too much. With 100-200 Amps needed, that will be a big voltage drop. It isn't unusual for the braid between the solenoid and actual motor to corrode and die. Check the battery cables between battery and starter, they do go bad after 20 years, even though they look fine.
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Re: 96 850 GLT starter. 1.7kw? 1.4kw?

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I had a similar problem about a year ago on my '97 855 GLT. I actually replaced the starter with a remanufactured one from FCP, but the real problem was a high resistance connection inside the positive battery cable running over to the starter.

The symptoms were an intermittent no crank, with high (0.7 – 1.1 Volt) voltage drop between starter and positive battery post. Pushing with fingers sideways on the wire leading into the crimp would reduce the voltage drop to the point where the car would start.

I wrote up my experience and how I built a battery cable here:
http://www.matthewsvolvosite.com/forums ... =1&t=61747
Several people gave me advice that I should have used a crimped connection instead of soldering the cable terminal -- I'm grateful for their advice and I'm keeping an eye on the cable. So far though the cable I made with soldered connections is still working fine.
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To abscate: would corroded battery cables account for the car starting in the afternoon, and then no response in the evening? As sudden as that?
And, yes, that was measured with key turned, no cranking whatsoever
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Jreed: Excellent DIY. Did you ever check to see if the increased size of the cable affected the voltage flow?
I will take a hopeful look at those cables and crimps. I think I'd prefer that as a solution to replacing the starter.
Are you still currently using the FCP starter? Any opinions on OEM/aftermarket/reman/junkyard?
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Re: 96 850 GLT starter. 1.7kw? 1.4kw?

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trimjimmy wrote:Any opinions on OEM/aftermarket/reman/junkyard?
A Pick-N-Pull or junk yard starter is what it is. It may run fine for the rest of the life of the car or it may die in a week. As the old saying goes, "you pays your money and you takes your chances".

The reman starters are fine and they typically come with a lifetime warranty. They are rebuilt Bosch units with new bearings, brushes, and a new solenoid. I have a bit over 150k miles on one of the rebuilts from O'Reilly Auto Parts and they do actually stand behind their warranties as I'm sure the other chain stores do. My Suburban was parked for a couple of years with a bad transmission and during that time the bearings on a rebuilt alternator from O'Reilly seized, I bought it 10 or 12 years ago and they looked it up on the computer and handed me a new one with no hassle.

I have never purchased a new aftermarket starter but that would be my last choice, I have visions of a Scan Tech starter that isn't the right size, you have to drill out the mounting holes to get it to fit, and it dies after 6 months.

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trimjimmy wrote:To abscate: would corroded battery cables account for the car starting in the afternoon, and then no response in the evening? As sudden as that?
And, yes, that was measured with key turned, no cranking whatsoever
When they get flaky, they can give you intermittent starting problems, indeed. It is pretty hard to get a 'test cable' down there to try it out, and once you take them off, you might as well put a new one on anyway.

If the car cranks fine when it does crank, that is pointing away from the starter, not definitive, but leaning...
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