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N/A tuning 20V, VVIS, something diffirent.

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razorx
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Volvo Repair Database N/A tuning 20V, VVIS, something diffirent.

Post by razorx »

Hello, you all.
I am new to this great forum, not as reader, but as poster.
My native language is Dutch.
So please forgive me any spelling mistakes.

We own two 850's: a 855 10V from '96 and a 20V LH3.2 854 from '93.
All the maintenance I do myselve.

B.t.w. I am a fanatic member of the Dutch Volvo 850 forum.
If you use a good translantion program, you can folow the history of my, and my wifes car here:
http://www.volvo850forum.nl/index.php/t ... 665.0.html

I enjoy these cars immensely. But there was one thing that surprised me.
In lower revs the 10V (140bhp) is faster than our 20V (168bhp).
Ehh serously faster. I am not sure if the 10V ever has been sold outside Europe, but that doesn't matter. The 20V is just lacking power in low revs.

The 20V non turbo models had a variable inlet manifold, to increase engine efficciency. Well this topic is all about the control of this manifold and how to improve the behaveour of the engine.

OK you will reach not more bhp's but much better behaveour and performance in low revs.

Let me explain:

While reading the original design documents, I arrived at something interesting about VVIS (Volvo Variable Induction System). Please read carefully:
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Reading this, I realised that, with no full throttle, both of the inlet manifold channels are allways open.

Simply said. The maximum available torque at a certain rev of the engine is only available above 4100rpm, or with more than 80% throttle opening.

Seemed like a bad design to me. I am used to re-engeneering, so time to work ;) .

Normally in low revs, both inlet manifold channels are open.
Not an ideal situation. In low revs, you want a high speed of the intake air. So I decided to design some overrule of the standard control of the ECU.
My decision: Under 4100rpm just one channel open. Above two. And yes a big improvement. Finally a 20V that is giving it's power alle the time.

So there is a possibility to do some N/A tuning. Don't expact miracles. Simply not possibele without $'s.

Time for some pics.
Prototype:
First expirimentImage

This is more than a year ago, I continued testing on diffirent engines:
20V 2.0L (mostly Italian)
AT and MT
LPG, OMVL, Vialle
LPi (Liquid gas injection (Vialle))

e.t.c.

Yeah, after a year of testing on multiple engine variations I can conclude that it makes a serous diffirence.
On turbo models this will be useless, but on an N/A engine it will give the engine a diffirent character.

Some more pic's ;)
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Getting serious:
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and:

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Just to be sure: Not more bhp's, jus better behaveour of the engine at low rev's. But a hell of a diffirence. ;)

There is more. You could say, Mmh (mumbling voice.. If I want full power, I give full throttle).
Yes, but you will get the full power a bit late.
First, in the original design the inlet manifold will close the short channel, than the inlet air has to reach a nice speed.
It takes about 0,3 to 0,5 seconds.

Better to have it immediately ;)

kind regards,
Y.
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No matter how effictive this is, its one of the coolest things i have ever seen! Go you!
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Outstanding. Thanks for sharing this, razorx. This is now in the Repair Database under "Performance" section.
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Post by charlyW »

Forgive this reply. For us none electronically minded folk what exactly have you built where does it fit and what does it do ? How I understand it your device allows the veins inside the inlet manifold to remain open or closed as long as you desire is this correct?
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Post by razorx »

charlyW wrote:Forgive this reply. For us none electronically minded folk what exactly have you built where does it fit and what does it do ? How I understand it your device allows the veins inside the inlet manifold to remain open or closed as long as you desire is this correct?
The circuit I built controls the solenoid at the back of the airfilter box.
The solenoid controls the inlet valves of the 20V N/A engine.

Normally this solenoid is controlled by the ECU, but in an inefficient way.
The circuit disappears nicely in the dashboard:
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It opens or closes the short inlet depending on the rpm signal.
Normally you only have full power at low revs with more than 80% throttle opening. Now it is available at all circumstances.
It has some other advantages: More direct engine response.
Less nervous behaviour of cars with automatic transmision.
For 2.5 N/A engines is it a nice improvement, for the 2.0's almost a must.

Regards,
Y.

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Post by micah861 »

thats cool razorx. you meantion 2.0 and 2.5 liter cars, i wonder if you device works on our american cars as we have 2.4 liter and i know our fuel and emission standerds are different here than the rest of the world
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Post by razorx »

micah861 wrote:thats cool razorx. you meantion 2.0 and 2.5 liter cars, i wonder if you device works on our american cars as we have 2.4 liter and i know our fuel and emission standerds are different here than the rest of the world
Well, Volvo was not telling the truth. In Europe they called the 2.435L engine 2.5.
A far as I know, the difference is that USA models have EGR, the European models not. But correct me if I am wrong.

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Post by _HighVoltage_ »

Do you intend to sell your modification?
Also...what does it do to fuel consumption?

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Post by razorx »

It is my intention to make it a product.
I have been testing it for about a year on my own car.

12 other men are driving with it for a few months.
AFR, fuel consumption, LPG, AT/MT, almost everything has been tested.

But i have to come with some specs on paper first.
So there will me some testing at a tuning company on 29th of november.

It seems strange, but there is so much more work involved if you plan to make it a real and well tested product.

Also I don't want to break the forum rules.

Well about the fuel consumption:
With normal driving: The same
If you enjoy this system: more ;)

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Post by tjts1 »

rozorx
Great write up. I have a quiestion. Were you able to retrofit the VVIS monifold on an engine that didn't have it before or did you simply over ride control on a car that already had it? In the US, Volvo put VVIS on 850s made in 93 and early 94. All cars that had 4 stud wheels. All 5 stud wheel cars don't have VVIS. I want to retrofit a VVIS manifold on my 96 850. Does it bolt up to the engine the same? Do you know if that is possible?
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