Molyslip and Ceramic Oil

[57buzzard]

The Moly slip rep used to come to the local racetrack and demonstrate the product.

He would drain the oil and do a lap to prove the point.

It was impressive.

[jamesross530]

Why adding molybdenum additive in oil when you can buy oil with that additive in it.It's Liqui Moly Mos2 leichtlauf 10w-40 semi-synthetic oil.

Well what I like is that I can use whatever brand oil I want and add the Molyslip. I don't have to be limited to only a handful of companies that include molybdenum in their product.

[IVIUSTANG]

Don't hurt me guys, I spend alot of time sourcing oddball parts and items that I am interested in.

I found some MOS2 in powder form that is being sold to be used in engines, trannys or whatever you put it in. The seller has over 500 feedback with 100% positive. His overall price for application is much cheaper than buying MolySlip for $10.99 CAD at Home Hardware. I emailed him and asked what micron size the particles are as I want them to be less than 3 microns average. The smaller the better mind you. I found a cheap source of MOS2 powder sadly it was technical grade and the particle size was 30 microns.

For reference and to show I did a little research, the average oil filter can only filter out particles as small as 40 microns, so this should not be a filtering issue; but rather a particle wear issue. Some have hypothesized that items floating in an engine as small aas 5 microns can even potentially cause slight wear.

As a point of reference, the MOS2 in MolySlip averages at 0.5 microns, I thus feel it is 100% safe. Further research revels that MOS2 is in fact used in a small degree in MANY commercial oils and lubricants for automobiles. Mobil 1 synthetic in certain grades also has it, we all know Mobil 1 is the top readily available oil apart from the specialties.

Here is the link:
http://cgi.ebay.ca/5-Moly-MoS2-engine-o ... 35a56a6a9e

Let me know what you think and I will keep you posted on my research. If anyone wants to pitch in for a metric tonne, I am willing!

- Jesse

[jamesross530]

I've heard of people adding MoS2 in powder form. From what I understand though there will be limited suspension....

Products that contain solids in liquid usually invest a lot of time (and money) in suspending those solids, hence the high price I assume.

If I was you before I started putting any powder in anything I'd put a spoonful in oil and see whether it settled out over time. I'm hypothesizing it will fairly quickly.

Interestingly I was curious about what a 0.5 micron particle would be, apparently it's as small as most infectious bacteria:
http://wiki.answers.com/Q/Why_is_0.5_mi ... lean_rooms

So yeah, I'd definitely say it's safe as far as passing through your filter... another reason why I'd assume Molyslip is the price that it is

Still, referring back to my 530 experience, all that considered, the stuff is priceless as far as I'm concerned.

[IVIUSTANG]

I just got an answer from the eBay seller, it is in fact the company http://www.gravitybandits.com/

His answer was so great in my opinion that I asked him if I could post it here. No question, I am buying this based off his response and some research I did into dry MOS2.

A notable wealth of information would be: http://www.pacificp.com/forum/viewtopic ... 608ecc593e

A reputable source of 1.5 um particle size super fine grade MOS2: http://www.rosemill.com/product.asp?productid=258465

I'll post my question and response when I get his permission.

- Jesse

[IVIUSTANG]

Ok got permission, here is what was exchanged:

From me:
Hi,

I am wondering what the micron size of this Mos2 is? I just am skeptical about using a non commercial product without a company backing it in my car. Can you please sell me on the quality and practicality of using this in my beloved engine?

Thanks,

- Jesse

His Reply
Jesse, It has been my observation (via personal experience) that one of the problems with selling on eBay is that we (the seller) are perceived as some fly by night, or armature out fit. I'm sure you meant no offence, and certainly non was taken. A fact is simply a fact.

We are a company (Super Friction Fighter L.L.C.) that supplies our product to a number of fleet's as well as to individual purchasers.

So with that out of the way let me get to your question.

The "normal" OEM, or over the counter oil filter only filters out partials that are 40 microns or larger. The BEST ones that you can purchase that may be considered high performance filters take that number down to 10 um, with a few going all the way down to 5 um.

Let me say that our product will easily pass through any of those filters. I also had this same conversation with the head of Penske trucking prior to them using our product in fair number of their big rigs. It seems fairly obvious that the "engineers" that provided the (any) OEM filter that only discriminates down to 40 um is also saying that any substance that is smaller than 40 um (or 10um, or 5 um) is so small that it doesn't have the potential for damage.

While my answer met with agreement by him (fleet manager for Penske) our 20,000,000.00 (20 million) dollar product liability policy was what settled the conversation.

Let me say that I understand your concern. And I appreciate your question, but I will always find it hard to understand / believe how many potential buyers will ask questions of us that would be (and are) considered absolutely proprietary, and certainly qualify as intellectual property. I suspect that if we suspended the product in some junk oil, and put a fancier label on it we wouldn't have any one asking what size is it, or what's the weight, and volume. When we elected to sell our product the way that we do we we anticipated this, but times change.

We do our best to sell MoS2 in the way that makes the absolute most since. In our minds that means selling it "dry" in a proven "dose" that generates the best results while still being affordable. O-we could start our suspending our MoS2 in some junk oil that only dilutes the oil that YOU chose to use, while increasing the over all cost of the product (shipping and packaging) while potential diminishing (junk oil that it would be suspended in) it's effectiveness.

We have a great product. Our testimonials are true, and unsolicited. As an individual who has used oil additives for years (since 1971) until I used moly (MoS2) I couldn't even imagine sending some company a thank you letter for their product, and we get the all the time, and unsolicited.

Your question is a good one, and while I'm happy to re-assure you of our product and it's quality, I'm coming to the point where I suspect that we will simply put our product in some (like all the others) mineral oil, change the labeling so that we can piggy back the marketing that all the rest of the spin masters have generated.

With that being said I suspect that we will always continue to "swim up stream" and in some shape or form and continue to sell MoS2 in "dry doses". Only because it makes so much since, and I just can't resist continuing to do something that is efficient, and works so well.

I hope that I've answered your question, in the spirit that it was asked. That would be friendly, informative, and candid.

Thank you for your interest.

Stan L
a Managing member of
Super Friction Fighter L.L.C.

http://www.Moly4Oil.com
http://www.SuperFrictionFighter.com

In my mind
This product deserves a chance, at less than $3 per application and the definite support behind the product, I bought 10 applications up front.

- Jesse

[IVIUSTANG]

I also took a peak at Tungsten Disulfide, which is supposed to be slicker yet than MOS2. It had two problems for this application, a higher molecular mass as well as supposedly not plating as well. The mass would make suspension in oil more difficult and possibly lead to circulation problems.

- Jesse

[matthew1]

Wow, interesting topic. Thanks for posting the rep's reply to your quetsion.

Let me say that I understand your concern. And I appreciate your question, but I will always find it hard to understand / believe how many potential buyers will ask questions of us that would be (and are) considered absolutely proprietary, and certainly qualify as intellectual property. I suspect that if we suspended the product in some junk oil, and put a fancier label on it we wouldn't have any one asking what size is it, or what's the weight, and volume. When we elected to sell our product the way that we do we we anticipated this, but times change.

We do our best to sell MoS2 in the way that makes the absolute most since. In our minds that means selling it "dry" in a proven "dose" that generates the best results while still being affordable. O-we could start our suspending our MoS2 in some junk oil that only dilutes the oil that YOU chose to use, while increasing the over all cost of the product (shipping and packaging) while potential diminishing (junk oil that it would be suspended in) it's effectiveness.

Pinned in VRD.

[Volgrrr]

There ia a company here in Australia called Nulon and I have used their products after reading an impressive write up by the very much respected R.A.C.V (Royal Automobile Club of Victoria) after they had tested the claims made by Nulon.

I believe the test constituted an engine that had about 50k's on it being treated with Nulon in accordance with Nulon's specifications. After treatment, the engine oil was drained from the sump and then the vehicle was run for a rather lengthy period of time. The engine was then completely stripped down to search for any signs of damage caused by metal to metal friction, but no damage was evident and the engine was given a clean bill of health by the RACV.

I also recall an engineering department of one of the universities did a similar test and came up with similar results.

I put Nulon down as saving two engines in cars I've owned. The first, a Holden V8 blew a radiator hose (thermostat stuck closed) and I didn't realise anything was wrong until the car started to lose power and finally ground to a halt. When I got out the smell was absolutely terrible and you could clearly hear crackling type noises eminating from the engine bay from the red hot engine. I thought the engine would be absolutely cooked beyond repair however, I drained the oil (it was black and smelt terrible) put in new oil/filter, started it up and that vehicle went on to do nearly 900,000 essentially trouble free kilometres that I know of before it was sold on and I eventually lost track of it.

The second was a Cressida that had a plastic radiator header tank let go unexpectedly. I didn't know it had gone until I happened to glance at the instrument panel and wondered where the temperature gauge needle was (it happened to be completely off scale, out of sight). I pulled up and, after the getting the car home, did the same thing to it also (i.e. drained oil etc.) That vehicle had 450,000 kilometres on it when, many years later, I gave it to my daughter & son in law, and they drove it around for another 18 months until a group of 4 motorcyclists travelling at too fast a speed in a state park lost control coming around a bend, 2 of them ended up hitting the car, writing it off.

So, considering all of the above, I certainly believe it doesn't harm an engine - on the contrary - in my experience it does a lot of good.

I've been using Nulon in all my vehicles since about 1984 and got incredible mileage out of the above two, and the odometer in my current 240 Volvo stopped on 320,000 kilometres about 5 years ago and my conservative estimate is that it is probably up around 450,000 kilometres by now.

In comparison to the vehicles mentioned above, my T5 must be getting close to being run-in by now as it has only 225,000 kilometres on the clock.

[marginal]

Well, this is impressive.

I think all the companies producing additives should make such experiments in order to prove the efficiency of their products.