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Re: 1999 V70XC I'm stuck - I need ideas.

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Ozark Lee wrote: Things do get stranger though. I did some more tracing with the oscilloscope and I find that the injectors always pulse, whether the car starts or not. I'm not sure if the immobilizer is supposed to kill the ignition or the injectors or both. The injector pulses always seem to be there. The trigger signals to the coils, it turns out, are there sometimes even when there is a no start condition. They are, of course, always there when the car does start but there seems to be no rhyme or reason as to why they are there sometimes and the car won't start and without them there the car, as expected, won't start. The battery voltage is always steady on the red wires to the coils and the coil grounds are clean and tight on the cam cover.
I'm not sure about the imobilizer logic, but thinking in terms of the actual startup logic I would be surprised if it was firing plugs without expecting the car to start.

Was this car sitting because someone gave up on it, i.e. it stopped running, and then the garage threw in the towel? Can you drive it once it starts up?
Ozark Lee wrote: Once again, it seems when I pull a spark plug and lay it on the head with the coil, and it doesn't seem to matter which one, the car will start pretty reliably. I did find some solder globs around coil number 2 but I think it was some sloppiness from splicing the wires to the CVVT valve which looks like it was recently changed. Recent is somewhat relative as I think this car had been parked for over a year at the repair shop where I bought it.

I have changed both the number 1 and 2 coils with known good replacements. The spark is orangish rather than blue with the spark plug laying on the cam cover.

...Lee
I think this is a clue. Given the fact that it looks like people have been feeding it parts and it's probably been scanned to death, have you looked into something that can't be tested for with a scan tool, like a clogged exhaust or melted cat? If you are starting the car without a plug, then you sure are leaving a pretty good leak path....

Is the cam sensor on the exhaust side like the older whiteblocks, or did they move it over to the intake side. I wonder if possessed exhaust VVT would go unnoticed by because the cam reference signal is on the intake side.

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Was this car sitting because someone gave up on it, i.e. it stopped running, and then the garage threw in the towel? Can you drive it once it starts up?
That is my guess. The car definitely had a bad fuel pump and the shop that I picked it up at was and independent garage that had a bunch of Chevy's, Fords, and Dodges in for service. They certainly were no Volvo specialists. I haven't looked at the Alldata procedure for changing the fuel pump but I'm sure it is about the same as VIDA or VADIS, where they take the entire rear differential and suspension out. My guess is that the quote was so high that the shop ultimately took the car for payment for diagnosing the problem, transfered the title, and then sold it to me. Based on the smell of the small amount of gasoline that was in the car I would guess it sat for about a year. The gasoline is fresh now.

Once the car does start it runs perfectly, I haven't driven it more than about 5 or 10 miles at a time but it has no misses or any other drive-ability problems. At the time the fuel pump died it may not have had this problem, I have no way of knowing.

I think I will call the guy I bought it from on Monday and beg him for the previous owner's name and number. I have a crisp Benjamin in my pocket if they have more keys and remotes that they haven't thrown away! Based on the programming it has four keys and three remote keyfobs. If I can get in touch with them I might be able to get a bit more history.

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Post by Ozark Lee »

At long last the saga is over.

I shipped the ECU and the parts car ECU to Lucky and had him clone the "new" car into the parts car ECU. Other than the battery being totally dead after months of being parked it starts first time and every time!

I have never had an ECU fail intermittently like that. For that matter, I have never had an ECU fail at all.

I sure am glad to have this one in the done column and it is just in time for the predicted snow storm.

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1999 V70XC - Nautic Blue - Totaled while parked.
1999 V70XC - RIP - Wrecked Parts Car.
1998 S70 T5
1996 850 N/A
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Post by joe_pinehill »

Congrats on solving the puzzle. I had an ECU fail hard on my '91 240. The car was only 3 years old. Dealer said it was a random failure and it was replace.
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Post by precopster »

And I almost did the same thing to my 2000 V70. I wanted to view some BMW menus in the Autel EU702 scanner so I plugged it in and told the scanner I was connected to a BMW. Once I disconnected the scanner the car refused to start.

This went on for minutes and I tried to connect to the car to the EU702 again this time telling it I was connected to a 2000 V70. This didn't work. By this time battery was weakening after repeated cranking.

A battery disconnect and reconnect and negative to positive lead short finally fixed the issue and it fired right up.

In your case the problem started after Vol-FCR was connected to a 1999 car and the interface was fed false information. Something must be very sensitive in these ECMs when fed poor linking info which sends inappropriate commands to them possibly corrupting data.

Mine is a Denso ECM.
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Post by E Showell »

Time to PM Steve (abscate) and get him to put a MVS Solved in the title.
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E Showell wrote:Time to PM Steve (abscate) and get him to put a MVS Solved in the title.
Why abscate?

Lee is also one of the moderators.

I just read the whole thread and all the time my suspect was immobiliser.
Maybe you didn't broke the ecu with a Vol-fcr.That ground wire which was routed separately from ecu might be a culprit and it might be a source of problems.

That said....somebody messed with ecu before the car ended in your hands.If the car got into a shop because of a bad fuel pump,why they messed up with ecu wiring?

Anyway...i'm glad that you solved the problem and that your fleet is richer for one more Volvo.

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Post by E Showell »

Misha. Any moderator could do it. I mention Steve because he jumped on the last "MVS Solved " notification pretty quickly.
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Post by misha »

I know...e showell.That's why i said "one of the moderators". :wink:

You got it wrong.
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Post by abscate »

Rats, beaten to the punch again.....

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