Login Register

1996 855 T5 - Sound deadening/insulation - Roof!

Help, Advice and DIY Tutorials on Volvo's P80 platform cars -- Volvo's 1990s "bread and butter" cars -- powered by the ubiquitous and durable Volvo inline 5-cylinder engine.

1992 - 1997 850, including 850 R, 850 T-5R, 850 T-5, 850 GLT
1997 - 2000 S70, S70 AWD
1997 - 2000 V70, V70 AWD
1997 - 2000 V70-XC
1997 - 2004 C70

Post Reply
Sommerfeldt
Posts: 1148
Joined: 29 July 2008
Year and Model: 2018 S90 T8
Location: Oslo Area, Norway
Has thanked: 55 times
Been thanked: 42 times

1996 855 T5 - Sound deadening/insulation - Roof!

Post by Sommerfeldt »

So, I've been looking through a lot - A LOT - of posts about sound deadening these monsters of rumble, and there are a few things that pop up as the go-to stuff for making the beloved Volvos a little more quiet.

- Wheel wells (inside or "outside")
- Floors
- Doors
- Firewall


All of these things are fine, and I've done some or all of them on all of the Volvos I've had, and helped a couple of friends do their doors, etc. Still, I've always thought that there had to be more I could do - i.e. I never thought I got any significant gain beyond doors and trunk space/trunk lid or rear door. So when I found myself with 4 sheets of Gladen Aero-Butyl, 1 sheet of the foam with silver backing stuff and 4 black, light foam sheets (all of them about 1 inch thick) after doing all doors and the trunk space, I had to make a tough decision.

What's the overall largest, thinnest, most "resonancy" area of these lovely speedwagons of ours?

Roof.

So researching around didn't get me much - most people who do some sort of sound deadening on these cars might mention the roof in passing, but I've yet to see anyone actually do much about it. And really, it's no wonder - removing the headliner? Sounds risky. Sounds difficult, too. But... I decided to do it.

Since I had very limited time to actually do this, I didn't get any pictures, but I thought I should post something about it here anyway.

After a little research on headliner removal, I almost chickened out, but put my foot down and told myself to quit being a... well... you know what. So, today, I sound deadened and insulated the roof area of my 855 with the rest of my materials.
Removing the headliner was far from the PITA some say it is.
- Interior lights out,
- mirrors out,
- "oh shit-bars" out, all from front to back:
about 15 minutes.
Trim: another 20 minutes,

That was mostly because I had never had all of that stuff out before, and wanted to preserve as many clips and fasteners as possible. Success, with only one plastic thingy coming apart - most likely it was failing from a previous removal when the last owner put yards and yards of a mysterious antenna cable around the car...

The headliner itself, after all the handle bars and lights and trim is out, hangs on 2 sturdy velcro squares. Pull gently out of the rear of the wagon, w/o bending or breaking it. Another success.

Removing the headliner from the car took me about 45 minutes, being careful and considerate throughout.

I then cut up the 3,5-ish sheets of Dynabel Aero-Butyl into suitable pieces and distributed around (and some on top of) the rock hard factory sound deadening that was there. To be fair, there are 4 large sheets of it on there, but as that was, like I said, rock hard, it doesn't do much good.

After that, I stuffed insulation everywhere it would go. Inside pillars and beams (there are holes everywhere - little rumble-speakers each and every one of them) and placed 2 large sheets over the front seat area, one in the middle above the rear seat area, and one smaller sheet (the remainder of what I had) over the third area, almost in the trunk area.

Putting stuff back on took me longer than taking it off, but that's what I expected. I spent the absolute majority of my time placing the sound deadening and getting pieces as large as I could to fit in all the nooks and crannies.

Took the car for a drive afterwards, and that drive is the reason for this post. It was the single best thing I have ever done to lower the noise in any of my 850s and including the S70 I had. Resonance from the roof is way down, road and air noise is way down, and the whole thing had me slack-jawed from test drive start to finish.

So...this whole thing, just to say that if you want to lower the noise levels in your 850 or V70, do the doors and wheel wells and all of that, but for crying out loud - do the roof as well!!
:D

- S
2018 S90 T8 Inscription - glossy black with amber interior and dark as night rear windows.
[Gone] '96 855 T5 - R bumper and spoiler, Koni Yellows & blue H&R springs all 'round.
[Sold] '97 S70 T5
[Gone] '95 855 T5-R - one of the black ones... sadly stolen and wrecked.

User avatar
abscate  
MVS Moderator
Posts: 35301
Joined: 17 February 2013
Year and Model: 99: V70s S70s,05 V70
Location: Port Jefferson Long Island NY
Has thanked: 1505 times
Been thanked: 3818 times

Post by abscate »

Somm - are you a professional musician? My 1999 and 2005 are two of the quietest cars I have ever driven and I can't imagine trying to improve it.

Thanks for the info - Im getting to the age where nature is providing automatic sound deadening in my life.


One thing I will note. If you open my V70 sunroof all the way, you get a horrible acoustical resonance at 49 mph. The entire cabin oscillates at about 8 Hz which is nasty on the eardrums.

If you stop the sunroof at the 'comfort position' you don't get this of course.

This is in the owners manual, but who reads that??
Empty Nester
A Captain in a Sea of Estrogen
1999-V70-T5M56 2005-V70-M56 1999-S70 VW T4 XC90-in-Red
Link to Maintenance record thread

mecheng
Posts: 1271
Joined: 27 March 2014
Year and Model: 1998 Volvo S70 T5
Location: Ontario, Canada
Has thanked: 15 times
Been thanked: 21 times

Post by mecheng »

ditto to @abscate's post:

both my 850 and S70 are extemely quiet at any speed especially the S70 and especially compared to anything else made in the 90s. You want to hear loud and noisy, Honda's despite being good cars with great reviews have very high amounts of road noise.
1998 Volvo S70 T5 - SE - 240km - Sold July 2018
1997 Volvo 850 GLT - 190km
Boost is my drug of choice

MrPc
Posts: 76
Joined: 29 June 2012
Year and Model: 850R 1996
Location: Corvallis, OR
Been thanked: 2 times

Post by MrPc »

I'm finding people's different opinions on this issue interesting. I always thought my '96 855R was rather noisy at highway speeds, especially for a car so well appointed. It seems to be mostly wind and road noise. Plus, I've always thought that our '02 Honda Odyssey was much quieter by comparison.

Given the different experiences, do you suppose it could be tire choice? I'm running Yokohama's on the Volvo, Toyo's on the Honda.

You want to talk about wind/road noise? My '74 VW Westfalia takes it to a whole new level! I wear earplugs when I take it on long trips...
=====================
Red Red '96 855R, 169k

Sommerfeldt
Posts: 1148
Joined: 29 July 2008
Year and Model: 2018 S90 T8
Location: Oslo Area, Norway
Has thanked: 55 times
Been thanked: 42 times

Post by Sommerfeldt »

Hehe! This was interesting - I thought there was a little consesus on the noise level issue with these cars, but I guess not. :)

No - not a professional musician, but I guess I might be a little sensitive about noise, then... :D My current 855 doesn't have a sunroof, but I remember the wobwobwobwob of the fully open one that abscate mentions from the S70 I had. The T5-R was the same.
That said, the V70s and S70 always struck me as a lot better when it comes to noise levels too, but I think MrPc is on to something. Tire and road noise depends a lot on tire choice, in my opinion (and experience), and nothing but different tires can do anything about that. Dampening the resonance in the steel, however, that's stuff I can do something about. :)

I know Volvo made these to be "compact luxury" cars, and that's probably why they're better dampened than a lot of other stuff from the 90s, but looking at all the holes in beams, and bare metal surfaces putting me mere millimeters from the rushing air and noise outside that became apparent when I took down the headliner, I can't imagine why I haven't done this experiment before.

Also... what's an "owner's manual"?? ;)

- S
2018 S90 T8 Inscription - glossy black with amber interior and dark as night rear windows.
[Gone] '96 855 T5 - R bumper and spoiler, Koni Yellows & blue H&R springs all 'round.
[Sold] '97 S70 T5
[Gone] '95 855 T5-R - one of the black ones... sadly stolen and wrecked.

User avatar
abscate  
MVS Moderator
Posts: 35301
Joined: 17 February 2013
Year and Model: 99: V70s S70s,05 V70
Location: Port Jefferson Long Island NY
Has thanked: 1505 times
Been thanked: 3818 times

Post by abscate »

Its the 'M' in "RTFM"

:lol: :lol: :lol:
Empty Nester
A Captain in a Sea of Estrogen
1999-V70-T5M56 2005-V70-M56 1999-S70 VW T4 XC90-in-Red
Link to Maintenance record thread

User avatar
erikv11
Posts: 11800
Joined: 25 July 2009
Year and Model: 850, V70, S60R, XC70
Location: Iowa
Has thanked: 292 times
Been thanked: 765 times

Post by erikv11 »

The sedans are quieter than the wagons, for sure. Road noise is a relative thing as several posts here attest to; if you haven't put in some sound proofing, you may not know what you're missing.

The very first time I have the cover off the rear gate of one of my wagons, I will fill the door with home insulation, because there is a relatively big drop in road noise. It's great to hear about the potential improvements by quieting the roof, too.
'95 854 T-5R, Motronic 4.4, 185k
'98 V70, T5 tune-injectors-turbo, LPT engine, 304k, daily driver
'06 S60 R, 197k
'07 XC70, black, 205k
'07 XC70, willow green, 212k
'99 Camry V6 :shock: 153k
gone: '96 NA 850 210k, '98 NA V70 182k, '98 S70 NA 225k, '96 855 NA 169k

Sommerfeldt
Posts: 1148
Joined: 29 July 2008
Year and Model: 2018 S90 T8
Location: Oslo Area, Norway
Has thanked: 55 times
Been thanked: 42 times

Post by Sommerfeldt »

abscate wrote:Its the 'M' in "RTFM"
That's an eye-opener. I thought the "M" was Matthewsvolvosite. ;) :lol:

- S
2018 S90 T8 Inscription - glossy black with amber interior and dark as night rear windows.
[Gone] '96 855 T5 - R bumper and spoiler, Koni Yellows & blue H&R springs all 'round.
[Sold] '97 S70 T5
[Gone] '95 855 T5-R - one of the black ones... sadly stolen and wrecked.

j-dawg
Posts: 1154
Joined: 20 April 2013
Year and Model: 1999 V70 T5
Location: Los Angeles, CA
Has thanked: 4 times
Been thanked: 33 times

Post by j-dawg »

The current and previous generations of Camry/Accord-type car blobs have been extremely quiet and well-built. I always thought they rode better and more quietly than they had any right to do at that price point, and definitely way better than my V70.

Since moving to hot, humid central Texas, my headliner has started bubbling pretty badly, so I've been looking into Dynamatting my roof as well. The problem is, on the roof, your butyl rubber adhesive has to support its own weight in peel through all the various summer-to-winter and day-to-night temperature changes. Ordinarily the Dynamat is subjected to compressive and shear loads on doors and floor panels, which don't really pose a challenge to the adhesive. The roof is a giant, flat, and totally undamped area, so it could definitely do with some damping, but I'm not sure how well the adhesive will hold up, and I think that's why you don't see the roof often mentioned in the list of Things to Dynamat.

My plan, whenever I get around to doing the headliner, is to stick closed-cell foam between the headliner and roof panel. It won't be anywhere near as good as the butyl rubber - the tendency will be to block sound, rather than to damp vibrations in the panel - but it won't rely on adhesives.
1999 V70 T5 5-SPD | ~277k mi | sold

Post Reply
  • Similar Topics
    Replies
    Views
    Last post