'93 850 Dies During Idle Topic is solved

[misha]

OE = original equipment. This could mean "what the car left the factory with" and it could mean "Volvo blue box parts".

OEM = original equipment manufacturer. This is when you buy the exact same distributor cap but in the Bosch box.

OE= original AFTERMARKET equipment...Febi,Meyle,Ngk,Vernet...etc.
OEM=original MANUFACTURER equipment....what the car left the factory with.

[Samusai]

Just for clarification the cap and rotor are Bosch, plugs are Volvo. I learned the hard way that aftermarket parts for these cars are horrible. It's best to get the good stuff.

[kcodyjr]

OE = original equipment. This could mean "what the car left the factory with" and it could mean "Volvo blue box parts".

OEM = original equipment manufacturer. This is when you buy the exact same distributor cap but in the Bosch box.

OE= original AFTERMARKET equipment...Febi,Meyle,Ngk,Vernet...etc.
OEM=original MANUFACTURER equipment....what the car left the factory with.

Misha, I have never, EVER, seen "OE" to indicate aftermarket. If it was "original", it wasn't "aftermarket". That would be like saying "the dark light" or "the dry water". Most of the parts in the car weren't made by Volvo.

There is room to debate what each acronym means when you see it on a website, but the acronym expansions are quite clear:

OE = Original Equipment
OEM = Original Equipment Manufacturer

I'm quite certain of that.

[misha]

...Misha, I have never, EVER, seen "OE" to indicate aftermarket. If it was "original", it wasn't "aftermarket". That would be like saying "the dark light" or "the dry water". Most of the parts in the car weren't made by Volvo...

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I really don't have time for this...but see yourself.... it's circled red.

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[kcodyjr]

That just means the part made by Murray or ImportDirect was original equipment in something.

Like I said, Volvo didn't make most of the parts that went into the car. They're still called "original equipment."

[misha]

Volvo DON'T make their own parts except chasis parts.
OEM suppliers like Bosch,Trw,Pierburg,Bougicord,Osram,Valeo,Ate,Bendix,Denso,Pilkington,Fag..etc...they make all the parts for Volvo.That's what you get in blue Volvo box,depending what you ordered.

Volvo don't have a parts factory.

All aftermarket suppliers makes parts for some brand of the car.Every part which is installed in the factory is OEM part.Every part which is signatured with brand name which supply Volvo factory with parts is OEM brand.It doesn't mean that it MUST be in blue Volvo box.

Other brand name like Febi,Delphi,Meyle...is considered OE(aftermarket)in automotive world.It doesn't apply in the factory on Volvo cars.They are usually lower on quality than oem parts.Those part brands are aftermarket brands.

There are situations that aftermarket parts exceed oem quality,but ONLY for mechanical parts.Electronic parts like sensors doesn't meet standards with OE label.

Sensors....these cars will NOT work with OE sensors(Maf,o2,ECT..)or if they work ,they will not work as they should.So OE can't be addressed to original equipment for these cars.
OE labeled parts are just bad alternative when it comes to sensors compared with oem...and they are far,far away from "original equipment" for whatever brand of car.

[kcodyjr]

This is the only part where we disagree: considered OE(aftermarket)

Remove the "OE" there and we're fine.

The vendor selling a part doesn't get to decide if it's "original equipment". They can put the letters "OE" on the box but it doesn't mean squat, it's just two letters printed on a box.

[misha]

Agree or disagree that's just a fact.Almost every aftermarket part in the market have OE mark...reputable or not.
You will never see AE meaning aftermarket equipment.
In automotive world....everything that isn't OEM....IS aftermarket...and OE=aftermarket.
That's just the way it is and simply....that's the fact.

[Sommerfeldt]

Agree or disagree that's just a fact.

Well, it's not. There's always confusion about "OEM", "OE", "OES" and the other ones.

The Original Equipment Manufacturer is the only one that makes Original Equipment. All the rest (better quality or lower quality) are Aftermarket.

OE (Original Equipment or Genuine BMW)
These are the parts that you get EXACTLY as if you are walking up to an authorized dealership and buying a part at the parts counter. These parts usually come in BMW marked packaging.

I.e. our "blue box" stuff.

OEM (Original Equipment Manufacturer)
OEM parts are parts that come from the same factory that makes your Original BMW parts, but they are boxed in their respective brands.

I.e. the Bosch oxygen sensor you got at the Bosch Service shop.

Aftermarket
Aftermarket products are from manufacturers that do not supply to BMW in any shape or form, it is important to note that its not necessary that aftermarket parts are inferior. In general, there are 2 kinds of aftermarket products.

The first kind is a cheaper replacement that provide affordability to consumers, these maybe the same quality as the OE/OEM parts or could be a little inferior to the OE/OEM products. A lot of customers like to purchase non-critical parts like air filters so save a few dollars, as long as it is a good reputable brand, you should be good to go! (just do your research!)

The second kind are considered upgraded parts, a very good example is the aluminium thermostat housing for an E36 BMW, the original BMW plastic housing is prone to failures and the aftermarket aluminum eliminates this problem. In this case, most of our customers prefer to purchase the aftermarket aluminium housing for better longivity.

I.e. the MSD coil you got from iPD.

The main difference between an OE part and an OEM part is the price. Mercedes does not make most of their parts themself. They contract the part with their specific specs and design to other manufactures like Bosch, Behr, etc.

The part that is OE Mercedes is packaged in a Mercedes box or labeled with the MB star. The only difference between OE & OEM is Mercedes is not adding a profit for themselves to the OEM part.

OE part = Quality, Fit, Mercedes Box, HIGHER COST

OEM part = Quality, Fit, SAME AS OE, Manufacture package, LOWER COST

eBay has pretty strict guidelines for how products are marketed (though we can always discuss enforcement... ), and this is how they define it.

Think of OEM as the coffee maker you bought. OE is the coffee you get from the coffee maker you bought. Coffee is available lots of places, but the gas station coffee, while still coffee, is cheaper and lower quality than the premium Kopi Luwak you're running on at home. It works, but it's just not the same.

Car manufacturers do the same. Volvo will ask Bosch to make its "Kopi Luwak" rotors, and ask Bougicord to make its "Kopi Luwak" plug wires. Those are OE from the OEM. You can, of course, get the "gas station coffee", no name spark plug wires from JC Whitney, and they may work, but they're Aftermarket, products from someone who is not contracted by Volvo to supply original equipment.

Note that Aftermarket doesn't automatically mean lower quality - we all know iPDs HD stuff, along with Meyle and others.

When referring to auto parts, OEM refers to the manufacturer of the original equipment, that is, the parts assembled and installed during the construction of a new vehicle. In contrast, aftermarket parts are those made by companies other than the OEM, that might be installed as replacements after the car comes out of the factory.

There's also another point here, which makes it very important for people with cars under warranty to keep these terms straight:

OEM refers to the original equipment manufacturer, for example Bosch or Pagid etc. These parts are made by the same company, the same way, with the same material as the manufacturer specifies. OEM parts will come in the original manufacturer packaging and stamped with their logo.

When and Why Would You Choose OE Parts?
There is a common misconception that using an independent car garage (such as CLP) to service your new car will invalidate the warranty. This is not true. At CLP, we service cars according to the manufacturer’s recommended schedule and criteria using only manufacturer approved parts – OE parts ensuring the warranty remains valid.

Using Aftermarket parts, that is to say parts NOT manufactured by the OEM and thus NOT OE, can void a new vehicle's warranty. It's not so much an issue for us, who drive ~20 year old chunks of Swedish steel, but still - it's a good rule of thumb. The OEM is the only one who makes OE parts which will not void your warranty. Anything else is Aftermarket, and will/might void your shiny new warranty.

As for Murray and ImportDirect, it's hard to not call it misleading advertising. Murray might be the OEM that makes OE thermostats for some car brand or other (Lada? ), but they're NOT the OEM for Volvo, and thus their thermostat is NOT OE for Volvos. So, while their box might say "OE", they're not OE for our beloved rumblebuckets. They might be for someone else, but for Volvos, they're Aftermarket.

Bonus:

"NOS" is a term we don't use often, but might be important to us here, with our aging cars. It means "New Old Stock", and refers to the possible decline in quality/specs that sometimes happen when a car model gets up there in years. Usually, when we order new parts for our 850s and old V70s, Volvo uses a system they call "Classic Parts" (some times even requiring prepayment from the customer before ordering them in). These parts are still OE from OEMs, and delivered in the glorious blue box, but may actually not be the same, high quality that the OEM delivered when the 850 first rolled off a Swedish production line. Contracts and terms change, and the lowered production cost after a set number of years can even be something that was specified in the original contract. Usually not a problem for us Volvo-tinkerers, but still.

One last thing - "OES" stands for "Original Equipment Supplier", and is the exact same as "OEM" - the two terms are interchangeable, though most people use "OEM".

- S

[misha]

...Well, it's not. There's always confusion about "OEM", "OE", "OES" and the other ones.

The Original Equipment Manufacturer is the only one that makes Original Equipment. All the rest (better quality or lower quality) are Aftermarket.

In automotive world....everything that isn't OEM....IS aftermarket...and OE=aftermarket.

OE (Original Equipment or Genuine BMW)
These are the parts that you get EXACTLY as if you are walking up to an authorized dealership and buying a part at the parts counter. These parts usually come in BMW marked packaging.

I.e. our "blue box" stuff.

Ok...i wasn't talking about BMW...i was talking about Volvos and that appears to be market dependant.

OEM (Original Equipment Manufacturer)
OEM parts are parts that come from the same factory that makes your Original BMW parts, but they are boxed in their respective brands.

OEM suppliers like Bosch,Trw,Pierburg,Bougicord,Osram,Valeo,Ate,Bendix,Denso,Pilkington,Fag..etc...they make all the parts for Volvo.That's what you get in blue Volvo box,depending what you ordered.

Aftermarket
Aftermarket products are from manufacturers that do not supply to BMW in any shape or form, it is important to note that its not necessary that aftermarket parts are inferior. In general, there are 2 kinds of aftermarket products.

Other brand name like Febi,Delphi,Meyle...is considered OE(aftermarket)in automotive world.It doesn't apply in the factory on Volvo cars.They are usually lower on quality than oem parts.Those part brands are aftermarket brands.

The second kind are considered upgraded parts, a very good example is the aluminium thermostat housing for an E36 BMW, the original BMW plastic housing is prone to failures and the aftermarket aluminum eliminates this problem. In this case, most of our customers prefer to purchase the aftermarket aluminium housing for better longivity.

There are situations that aftermarket parts exceed oem quality,but ONLY for mechanical parts.Electronic parts like sensors doesn't meet standards with OE label.

OE part = Quality, Fit, Mercedes Box, HIGHER COST

This should stand for OEM.

OEM part = Quality, Fit, SAME AS OE, Manufacture package, LOWER COST

This should be stand for OE.Oem parts are never LOWER COST than OE.

Note that Aftermarket doesn't automatically mean lower quality - we all know iPDs HD stuff, along with Meyle and others.

There are situations that aftermarket parts exceed oem quality,but ONLY for mechanical parts.Electronic parts like sensors doesn't meet standards with OE label.

When referring to auto parts, OEM refers to the manufacturer of the original equipment, that is, the parts assembled and installed during the construction of a new vehicle. In contrast, aftermarket parts are those made by companies other than the OEM, that might be installed as replacements after the car comes out of the factory.

All aftermarket suppliers makes parts for some brand of the car.Every part which is installed in the factory is OEM part.Every part which is signatured with brand name which supply Volvo factory with parts is OEM brand.It doesn't mean that it MUST be in blue Volvo box.
Other brand name like Febi,Delphi,Meyle...is considered OE(aftermarket)in automotive world.It doesn't apply in the factory on Volvo cars.They are usually lower on quality than oem parts.Those part brands are aftermarket brands.

As for Murray and ImportDirect, it's hard to not call it misleading advertising. Murray might be the OEM that makes OE thermostats for some car brand or other (Lada? ), but they're NOT the OEM for Volvo, and thus their thermostat is NOT OE for Volvos. So, while their box might say "OE", they're not OE for our beloved rumblebuckets. They might be for someone else, but for Volvos, they're Aftermarket.

A lots of aftermarket manufacturers are doing this and because of that they can't be trusted unless you know for sure what you want.That's the whole point.

As i can see from above both of us,MOSTLY,saying the same thing but in different way.

The only thing all of us can't agree is OE / aftermarket mark.

You have an example where MEAT & DORIA puts Pierburg,Bosch & Siemens fuel pumps in their box.But you need to be informed that MEAT & DORIA is doing that.Otherwise you wouldn't know that those parts are oem or the best aftermarket for dirt cheap price.

A lot of people didn't knew that FAG is OEM for wheel hubs on our cars.
Fag & Timken,Moog & SKF....there are a lots of examples.

So...
OEM=what car left the factory with
AFTERMARKET=everything else that isn't OEM
...and you're right...they can be the highest quality or garbage.

OE can't be trusted as original equipment from example of Murray & Import Direct.The POINT is that Murray or ID are not the only ones which are doing this label counterfeit.