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Clutches pressure plates and flywheels

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tryingbe
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Re: Clutches pressure plates and flywheels

Post by tryingbe »

beigg wrote:
tryingbe wrote:Why are we STILL on this?

It's really simple.

Use the single mass flywheel, resurface it. You may have switch the two wires at the RPM sensor, you may not.
Get a R clutch, and throw bearing from your favorite dealer.
NO PILOT BUSHING.
Use whatever hydraulic that the transmission come with. I prefer new part, especially the master and slave cylinders since they are a pain to change with engine/trans in the way.
because a flywheel is needed and its not known the specs to its physical size..... because i dont physically have one.
N/A SMF flywheel is the same as Turbo SMF flywheel as far as dimension. Two different type of flywheel with different type of teeth for the crank sensor, both can be use.
It really cannot be anymore easier.

You're confusing yourself by bring up the clutch SIZE. Buy the R clutch set for both turbo and n/a application and accept nothing else, ALL your problem solved.

- Single mass flywheel 9454774
Wanna buy used? Call up a Volvo used parts.
http://vandsautodismantlers.com/
http://erievolvo.com/Volvo-Parts/curren ... parts.html
http://www.voluparts.com/

- 850R clutch kit 2722189

- Throw out bearing for external salve 9181780

- External slave 9181017

- Internal slave cylinder 2722189
Last edited by tryingbe on 08 Jan 2017, 07:09, edited 1 time in total.
85 GLH, 367 whp
00 Insight, 72 mpg

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Post by tryingbe »

beigg wrote:
tryingbe wrote:
beigg wrote:Looking online ive came across some 98 70'series with a manual. Thats the changeover year to a dm amirite?
External slave cylinder = SMF.
Internal salve cylinder = DMF.

There is also the VIN number you can look up and see what exactly got switched over. I'm too lazy to do google search.

I know what the acronyms mean. that was not the question.
Goggle found
FCP and a bunch of other vendors list 460000 as the cutoff number for switching from a single mass flywheel and external slave cylinder to a dual mass flywheel and internal cylinder.
98 is when they changed the design in the m56h transmissions. There is a chassis break at VIN numbers ending in 395001 for wagons and 459999 for sedans. So this means that any cars ending in (last 6) VIN #'s before or up to this will have the M56H with the external slave cylinder, a throwout fork style throwout bearing and singlemass flywheel. The chassis numbers ending in those numbers and onward use the internal slave cylinder/ hydraulic style throwout bearing and dualmass flywheel.
85 GLH, 367 whp
00 Insight, 72 mpg

beigg
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Post by beigg »

tryingbe wrote:
beigg wrote:
tryingbe wrote:Why are we STILL on this?

It's really simple.

Use the single mass flywheel, resurface it. You may have switch the two wires at the RPM sensor, you may not.
Get a R clutch, and throw bearing from your favorite dealer.
NO PILOT BUSHING.
Use whatever hydraulic that the transmission come with. I prefer new part, especially the master and slave cylinders since they are a pain to change with engine/trans in the way.
because a flywheel is needed and its not known the specs to its physical size..... because i dont physically have one.
N/A SMF flywheel is the same as Turbo SMF flywheel as far as dimension. Two different type of flywheel with different type of teeth for the crank sensor, both can be use.
It really cannot be anymore easier.

You're confusing yourself by bring up the clutch SIZE. Buy the R clutch set for both turbo and n/a application and accept nothing else, ALL your problem solved.

- Single mass flywheel 9454774
Wanna buy used? Call up a Volvo used parts.
http://vandsautodismantlers.com/
http://erievolvo.com/Volvo-Parts/curren ... parts.html
http://www.voluparts.com/

- 850R clutch kit 2722189

- Throw out bearing for external salve 9181780

- External slave 9181017

- Internal slave cylinder 2722189
I do not see any specifications detailing the volvo flywheel in those links. That is what I am requesting. Thanks thus far in trying to help!
ugh smh 850 Turbo fridge

beigg
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Post by beigg »

tryingbe wrote:
beigg wrote:
tryingbe wrote:
External slave cylinder = SMF.
Internal salve cylinder = DMF.

There is also the VIN number you can look up and see what exactly got switched over. I'm too lazy to do google search.

I know what the acronyms mean. that was not the question.
Goggle found
FCP and a bunch of other vendors list 460000 as the cutoff number for switching from a single mass flywheel and external slave cylinder to a dual mass flywheel and internal cylinder.
98 is when they changed the design in the m56h transmissions. There is a chassis break at VIN numbers ending in 395001 for wagons and 459999 for sedans. So this means that any cars ending in (last 6) VIN #'s before or up to this will have the M56H with the external slave cylinder, a throwout fork style throwout bearing and singlemass flywheel. The chassis numbers ending in those numbers and onward use the internal slave cylinder/ hydraulic style throwout bearing and dualmass flywheel.
You must have a different Google! Mine was not pulling that from the searching.
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Post by tryingbe »

beigg wrote:
tryingbe wrote:
beigg wrote:
because a flywheel is needed and its not known the specs to its physical size..... because i dont physically have one.
N/A SMF flywheel is the same as Turbo SMF flywheel as far as dimension. Two different type of flywheel with different type of teeth for the crank sensor, both can be use.
It really cannot be anymore easier.

You're confusing yourself by bring up the clutch SIZE. Buy the R clutch set for both turbo and n/a application and accept nothing else, ALL your problem solved.

- Single mass flywheel 9454774
Wanna buy used? Call up a Volvo used parts.
http://vandsautodismantlers.com/
http://erievolvo.com/Volvo-Parts/curren ... parts.html
http://www.voluparts.com/

- 850R clutch kit 2722189

- Throw out bearing for external salve 9181780

- External slave 9181017

- Internal slave cylinder 2722189
I do not see any specifications detailing the volvo flywheel in those links. That is what I am requesting. Thanks thus far in trying to help!

Call up a Volvo used parts.
http://vandsautodismantlers.com/
http://erievolvo.com/Volvo-Parts/curren ... parts.html
http://www.voluparts.com/


I'm totally done with this thread.
85 GLH, 367 whp
00 Insight, 72 mpg

beigg
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Post by beigg »

tryingbe wrote:
beigg wrote:
tryingbe wrote:
N/A SMF flywheel is the same as Turbo SMF flywheel as far as dimension. Two different type of flywheel with different type of teeth for the crank sensor, both can be use.
It really cannot be anymore easier.

You're confusing yourself by bring up the clutch SIZE. Buy the R clutch set for both turbo and n/a application and accept nothing else, ALL your problem solved.

- Single mass flywheel 9454774
Wanna buy used? Call up a Volvo used parts.
http://vandsautodismantlers.com/
http://erievolvo.com/Volvo-Parts/curren ... parts.html
http://www.voluparts.com/

- 850R clutch kit 2722189

- Throw out bearing for external salve 9181780

- External slave 9181017

- Internal slave cylinder 2722189
I do not see any specifications detailing the volvo flywheel in those links. That is what I am requesting. Thanks thus far in trying to help!

Call up a Volvo used parts.
http://vandsautodismantlers.com/
http://erievolvo.com/Volvo-Parts/curren ... parts.html
http://www.voluparts.com/


I'm totally done with this thread.
If emailing hasnt yielded me specs, calling would expect like redundant results.

You'll be back!
ugh smh 850 Turbo fridge

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