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Re: Timing issue during exhaust valve job

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Davolb wrote: 08 Apr 2020, 15:52 I'm just a bit unclear on how setting the timing from scratch looks like.
You are lucky the one you got is easy. When you takeing off the VVT just remove the center cap and center bolt. Do not mess with the three small bolts. When you go to but it back together.

1. Put the VVT on the locked exhaust camshaft. Just snug down the center bolt do not tighten.
2. Install intake pulley. with two bolts, just snug them down. Leave out the bolt for the oval hole.
3. Line up all three timing marks. The third bolt hole on the intake side should not be at the extreme of the oval.
4. Install Timing belt per instructions
5. Check timing.
6. If timing is good move on to 7. If not go back and get it right.
7. Tighten the center screw on the timing gear pulley with VVT. Tighten to 90 Nm.
8. Install the plug. Tighten to 35 Nm.
9 Install the third screw on the intake pulley. Tighten all three to 20 Nm.
10 Remove the adjustment tools.
11 Tap timing belt with a rubber mallet at several points around the belt. (Setting belt well in pulley teeth).
12 With a 30 mm socket on the crankshaft bolt. Manually turn the engine clockwise 720° (Two full rotations). †
13 Check timing again.

† If you turn the engine counterclockwise the timing belt can go slack and slip. Then you will need to start over at step 3.

What most likely happen last time is the guy did not pull the timing belt tight as he work his way around the pulleys. When he set the tensinor, the slack between the intake and exhaust moved one pulley one tooth off.

It could also be the belt has stretched that much since it was installed.
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Was your timing messed up prior to the rebuild? My intake cam seems to be off by a tooth and the exhaust doesn't have a mark, so Rick mentioned that I need to set the timing from scratch. I don't know if the doc you attached includes the process that would set it from scratch. But if your timing was off like mine before the rebuild then I guess that's all I would have to follow!
Yeah, mine was off, but I kinda expected it, knowing the hack that worked on the car before I bought it.

If TDC is set at the crankshaft, and the cams are locked in the fixture, the timing is correct. Marks on the VVT don't matter because the VVT setting is relative to it's set location on the cam...which is correctly set. Once the belt is tightly wrapped, you can tighten the VVT and it's then set to that location in-reference to the cam.

Does that make sense to you?

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What most likely happen last time is the guy did not pull the timing belt tight as he work his way around the pulleys. When he set the tensinor, the slack between the intake and exhaust moved one pulley one tooth off
Exactly This is too easy to screw up. I had a couple-three pints in me (the usual amount for working on 18 year old cars), and just when I thought I had it right...I saw that the cams weren't aligned at the back of the head. I re-wrapped the belt, paying attention to keeping out the slack, and everything was perfect.

Moral of the story? One or three fewer pints might have sharpened my "Spidey Sense" that something was wrong, ...and this is pretty easy to screw up if you're in a hurry

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Post by Davolb »

Hey all.

Sorry for not responding to all your replies until now. Last several days have been pretty crazy.

In other news, I successfully pulled off the head and am having it machined as we speak. Gonna hopefully get all the parts shipped by this weekend and then start on the reassembly.

I only have one more small question, but not in regards to timing. I noticed that the rear intake cam had no seal installed. Instead it was just the black plug that you have to pry off. Wondering if it’s recommended to install one or just have the new plug put in.

I want to thank you all for providing so much info on the timing situation. It has helped a lot and makes me feel pretty confident (but rightfully cautious) about the reassembly and setting the timing.

I’ll be sure to let you all know how the repair turns out. Fingers crossed!

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Post by alschnertz »

Sounds familiar.

I don't recall having to install a seal on the back side of the cam.
I think I put a light coat of RTV around the black plug before reinstalling.
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Davolb wrote: 15 Apr 2020, 17:43 I only have one more small question, but not in regards to timing. I noticed that the rear intake cam had no seal installed. Instead it was just the black plug that you have to pry off. Wondering if it’s recommended to install one or just have the new plug put in.
If the rear cam seal is missing install another for sure. Volvo part number 9443310.

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Holy smokes. Sorry about that.

I should just keep my friggin' mouth shut.
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Post by difflock54 »

Just reading content of the link RickHaleParker quoted above.
if you scroll down and click the fitment button it states that a 2001 S40 requires only one(1) rear cam seal as opposed to many other models that do require 2 seals.
Maybe confirm when ordering?

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difflock54 wrote: 18 Apr 2020, 17:45 Just reading content of the link RickHaleParker quoted above.
if you scroll down and click the fitment button it states that a 2001 S40 requires only one(1) rear cam seal as opposed to many other models that do require 2 seals.
Maybe confirm when ordering?
Looks like there are two different part numbers for rear cam seals. One intake one the other Exhaust? Best to look. The other one is part number 9443310 .
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Post by alschnertz »

Wait. So my recollection may be correct?

Ugh, so confused.
I'll see what I can find in the (usually short on details) Haynes manual tomorrow.
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