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Misfire issues?

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1992 - 1997 850, including 850 R, 850 T-5R, 850 T-5, 850 GLT
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marcusmcd
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Re: Misfire issues?

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misha wrote: 03 Jun 2021, 14:19 What color is the smoke...black or blue?
White. I guess you 'd call it blue.

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Big difference between the two colors. White would indicate water/ coolant being burned, while blue would be oil burning.
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Post by misha »

Are you loosing coolant?
Is there an evidence of oil in coolant or coolant in oil?

Also...ignition components(cap & rotor,ignition wires,spark plugs)...time to check those if none of the above is the case.
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Post by erikv11 »

Good points about compression test - it is an easy, smart thing to do. It's just rarely an issue but sure, for peace of mind it should be on the list.
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rguzz wrote: 03 Jun 2021, 18:41 Compression test soon, if not next. Did this come on abruptly?

I did a compression test earlier. Some variation but all seemed within operational parameters.

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scot850 wrote: 03 Jun 2021, 22:04 Coil packs on plugs did not come into use until 1999 models. Car will be a distributor with plug wires to the plugs.

Check the plug condition. Also remove the distributor cap and check for damage/wear to distributor cap and rotor. Also look for oil in the base of the distributor.

Turbo or NA?

Check there is not oil running into the top of the engine from a blocked PCV system.

Also check the plug wires have not been trapped under the cover near the distributor. They can get picked and short out.

Let's try the simple stuff first before we panic about the compressions.

Neil.
I have cleaned the plugs several times.
No rotary distributor on this model; what would I check on the module?
Turbo.
I have the cover off, so no pinching.
Where would I look to check the PCV valve?

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marcusmcd wrote: 07 Jun 2021, 16:52
No rotary distributor on this model; what would I check on the module?
Where would I look to check the PCV valve?
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Your 1996 850 should have a distributor. The distributor-less engines didn't come until 1999.
If you really don't have a distributor, did someone swap engines?

Our cars don't have a PCV valve... they have a somewhat complicated PCV system.

The easiest and first test you should do is the glove test.


summary: take of oil filler cap, put a rubber glove on it. If the glove starts to inflate like a balloon, clogged PCV system.
If it looks to be trying to get sucked in? good system. Note. because of this, some people zip tie the glove on to the oil filler neck.

If your car fails the glove test then watch this: (may not match your model exactly but gives a great look into the whole system.)


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Post by erikv11 »

Check under the distributor cap and check the wires as Neil suggested. Do a glove test.
'95 854 T-5R, Motronic 4.4, 185k
'98 V70, T5 tune-injectors-turbo, LPT engine, 304k, daily driver
'06 S60 R, 197k
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'07 XC70, willow green, 212k
'99 Camry V6 :shock: 153k
gone: '96 NA 850 210k, '98 NA V70 182k, '98 S70 NA 225k, '96 855 NA 169k

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marcusmcd wrote: 07 Jun 2021, 16:52
scot850 wrote: 03 Jun 2021, 22:04 Coil packs on plugs did not come into use until 1999 models. Car will be a distributor with plug wires to the plugs.

Check the plug condition. Also remove the distributor cap and check for damage/wear to distributor cap and rotor. Also look for oil in the base of the distributor.

Turbo or NA?

Check there is not oil running into the top of the engine from a blocked PCV system.

Also check the plug wires have not been trapped under the cover near the distributor. They can get picked and short out.

Let's try the simple stuff first before we panic about the compressions.

Neil.
I have cleaned the plugs several times.
No rotary distributor on this model; what would I check on the module?
Turbo.
I have the cover off, so no pinching.
Where would I look to check the PCV valve?
OK, I was wrong about the distributor. But I checked it and everything appeared normal.

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Post by Chuck W »

You're not getting a code for it, but what does the connector on the ECT sensor look like? I've had a bad/corroded connector cause misfires and generate those codes, but not throw one for the sensor itself.
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