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Roku just had their ability to import their product cut off by the FTC.

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Cable is a local monopoly. How many choices do you have at your location ... right! With that comes the price gouging that always come with monopolies. On top of that you got that unlimited growth BS. Cable has boxed themself in to a death spiral. Their investors are not going to take less to keep the viable, they are true believers in the unlimited growth BS.

With streaming there is no monopolizing. If one get out of hand you can switch to another.
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wizechatmgr wrote: 21 Dec 2021, 12:48 Roku just had their ability to import their product cut off by the FTC.
Sounds like the US patent trolls boxed them in for extortion. There are no consumer electronics being produced in the US anymore. There are US lawyers that do noting but watch technology then write up a patent to extort money from people are actively producing the product. I'm sure if you dig into the patent you will find that it is held by a non-producing company that is nothing more then a paper company. Also you will find that the patent was filed after the idea was already on the market. There is one of these BS patents out there that describes the use of a telephone. Not the telephone hardware the use of one. That one has push up the price of cell phones for all of us. Capitalism at its worst. Taking from the system without contributing to the system.

The patent system needs an overhaul. Like a clause that prevents the new patent holder from suing a company that was already producing before the patent was filed.
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MrAl wrote: 21 Dec 2021, 06:09 So i am paying $160 dollars USD a month so i can see comercials for subscription channels!
Tallied mine up, $499.75 per year. I think you could put together a line up that will works for you and save $1500 per year or more by dropping cable.

I have Paramount+ Premium and it includes access to CBS, BET*, Comedy Central, MTV, nickelodeon and Smithsonian both live TV and on demand for a flat fee of $9.99 per month.
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RickHaleParker wrote: 22 Dec 2021, 01:57
MrAl wrote: 21 Dec 2021, 06:09 So i am paying $160 dollars USD a month so i can see comercials for subscription channels!
Tallied mine up, $499.75 per year. I think you could put together a line up that will works for you and save $1500 per year or more by dropping cable.

I have Paramount+ Premium and it includes access to CBS, BET*, Comedy Central, MTV, nickelodeon and Smithsonian both live TV and on demand for a flat fee of $9.99 per month.
I’m at about $600 a year , buying the premium versions which allow 2-3 logins. We split these accounts across 6 household locations. Cable would love to have a $ 150 tax on each house for their crap, that dog stopped hunting and died years ago. You can scam and just pass your passwords around cheaper but I try to keep it straight as I respect the business model.

Peacock, Britbox, Amazon prime, Hulu, Netflix.

$100 per house per year. Not bad. Caitlin doesn’t even have an internet bill, she streams to her iPad on a cell plan for $15 a month
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RickHaleParker wrote: 22 Dec 2021, 01:57
MrAl wrote: 21 Dec 2021, 06:09 So i am paying $160 dollars USD a month so i can see comercials for subscription channels!
Tallied mine up, $499.75 per year. I think you could put together a line up that will works for you and save $1500 per year or more by dropping cable.

I have Paramount+ Premium and it includes access to CBS, BET*, Comedy Central, MTV, nickelodeon and Smithsonian both live TV and on demand for a flat fee of $9.99 per month.
Oh that's very interesting, i guess i will have to look into that.
I watch those channels, and History and stuff like that.
Cartoon channel makes me laugh a lot, some funny shows on there.
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RickHaleParker wrote: 01 Dec 2021, 07:21 [
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Your car:

The temperature is use to calculate the Air density. From the Air density the amount of Oxygen in a single charge to the cylinder is calculated. Because the amount of Oxygen is what limits the amount of fuel that can be burned. To get a engine started you need a richer Oxygen/Fuel ratio. That why the old carbureted cars had a Choke to help get the engine started.

I think what is going on with your car is: It trying to start with a Oxygen/Fuel ratio that is calculated for a lower Air density or Oxygen content. In other words the Oxygen/Fuel ratio is too lean to get the engine started. This is because the problem with your temperature sensor is denying the ECM the data it needs to make the correct calculations.

My 1998 would not start when it got real cold. But it was the Barometric pressure sensor that was acting up at low temperatures. Barometric pressure is also use to calculate Air density and Oxygen content.
Been thinking about this after retrieving lost cat early this morning ( he’s old and forgets we sleep upstairs)

There is an Intake Air temperature sensor either built into the MAF, exterior or car, or in the hard pipe just before the ETM on the ME7 turbo cars.

Surely thst is used for charge density? The ECT is just used to trigger the cold engine condition. One wonders why the IAT could not do the same. I guess this points to reasoning thst fuel atomization in the cold engine and hot engine are drastically different.
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abscate wrote: 23 Dec 2021, 00:47 I guess this points to reasoning thst fuel atomization in the cold engine and hot engine are drastically different.
When an engine is cold some of the vaporized petrol condenses back into liquid when it touches the cold cylinder walls. You need more fuel to compensate for what phase changes back to a liquid. Without, the Air-Fuel mixture will be too lean to start. Or more precisely the fuel surface to air ratio is to low. As soon as the engine it running the surface of the cylinder walls heat up and the problem goes away.

Fuel burns on the surface. Fuel is atomize to rise the surface to volume ratio so that it will burn faster. We can say you are correct, the condensing of the fuel on the cold cylinder walls does changes the atomization of the fuel.

Because AL's ECT is not working. His ECM does not know it needs to compensate for fuel condensing on the cold cylinder walls.

On them really cold days when you got to hold the throttle open to keep it running. That is the super cold cylinder walls taking longer then normal to heat up.

(1) It's actually cold Cylinder wall, Piston tops and Combustion chamber but that makes for clumsy writing. The cylinder walls, the cleanest of the three, has the highest thermal conductance and therefore the highest effect.
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The progress in fuel air ratio control for engines is interesting. First (?) there were manual choke carburetors, then automatic choke carbs, then mechanical fuel injection, then electronic control fuel injection. Ease of starting and fuel efficiency improved with each new innovation.
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