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Battery drain in 3 or 4 days 150ma draw fuse 15

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Re: Battery drain in 3 or 4 days 150ma draw fuse 15

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skysteve wrote: 21 May 2023, 21:33 correction, not 30 ma draw 15 ma draw
Hi there,

I have been dealing with these issues for the past 20 years, first with my 1988 Hyundai and now with my Volvo v70 1998 for the past 5 years. I might be able to shed some light on what happens.

FIrst, a 40AHr battery will have roughly 1.5AHr self discharge per day. 15ma is 0.36AHr per day, which is about 25 percent of 1.5AHr.
That means that the 15ma, after 4 days, equals 1 day at the normal self discharge, so at the end of 4 days you have a discharge of about 7.5AHr, and that is about 15 percent of a 50AHr battery, which if the battery was fully charged to begin with would take it down to about 85 percent of full charge. If that was 8 days it would be down more than that, around 70 percent.

This all means it would be good to know the number of days the car is being parked without starting. It also means knowing the age of the battery and if there was any misuse. These things cause the battery to drain faster. Also, knowing the normal charge current by direct measurement.
The charge current and charge time have to be long enough to get the battery back up to full charge or nearly so. If not the battery will drain little by little until one day it is seriously low and may not start the car.

I've ran into this so much in the past with this car and other cars i decided to install some telemetry to measure the battery voltage 24 hours a day 7 days a week. This measures the battery voltage all day and night and sends the data to a receiver in the house where my computer logs the voltage for every single measurement. If it goes low, i know it almost immediately. That's the only way i think it should be done.
With this setup, i found that the battery never charges all the way even if i take a ride across town. I don't know how long of a drive it would take, but i can't go driving around town just to keep the battery charged, that would be nuts. This led me to install a solar panel battery charger. Now the battery voltage is probably higher than any other car in the town. It's not as good on cloudy days, but it averages out to something much better than nothing at all. This of course means i have to recommend it to anyone having this problem.

It's difficult to pin down exactly what is happening sometimes because the battery condition has a lot to do with it too, and it could happen even after 6 months after installing a new battery. I for one don't want to have to keep buying new $200 batteries every 6 to 12 months.

I found that a 20watt solar panel mounted on the roof of the car works ok. Anything lower might not be enough. You can go higher, but you have to make sure it comes with a charge controller. This is not a max power tracker either, which you don't need, only a charge controller. That limits the max voltage of the battery to 14 volts during solar charging times. That's mandatory because you don't want to overcharge either. Many solar panels now around 20 to 100 watts or so come with a charge controller (not max power tracker) so all you have to do is find one that has that too. You also need a bracket to mount the panel on the roof of the car, which probably wont come with it, although a few did in the past. Beware though some come with a very cheap bracket that is only a bent piece of thin aluminum bar and that does not work at all. The good ones have two brackets, one for each side, and allow mounting at an angle of at least 45 degrees, although that angle would vary depending on where you live. You want the panel aimed at the sun for most of the day, or nearly so anyway. You only have to adjust for the altitude, you don't really need to adjust the azimuth although there are trackers that will track that angle too. In my experience now though, you don't need that just the altitude adjustment, and adjust it once.
This probably works with an aged battery too because the main difference between the old and new batteries is the self discharge, and if you can make up for that when charging, the battery starts the car ok. The solar panel will keep the battery going longer.

What i am not sure of is if there is any commercially made telemetry for the automobile that is not too expensive and you can install yourself. I could not find anything to my liking so i designed everything from the ground up and built it up with parts available at regular electronic parts outlets. Total cost under $100 USD not including the PC Windows based computer in the house used to log and display measurements. I don't know how hard it would be to build another one though there is a bit of soldering and stuff required.

Hope this helps.
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Is there a particular solar charger you would recommend?
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jmartin919 wrote: 24 May 2023, 07:07 Is there a particular solar charger you would recommend?
Hi,

Well to start i would say 20 watt minimum, with a charge controller.
I can get you the name of mine if you like. They are available on Amazon and i would think other places too.
The type should be monocrystalline.
They have an aluminum frame which makes mounting a little easier. You still need a bracket though so you can angle the panel at the sun. In my area the sun sweeps more or less across the southern sky, so i point mine south, with an angle of about 45 degrees. You can experiment with other angles too, including just laying one on the top of the car flat. With it laying flat, i would think a 30 watt unit would work but you'd have to try that and your area may be different than mine too.

The hookup is easy too. Solar panel to charge controller, charge controller to battery, and you might want to add your own inline fuse, i use a 2 amp fuse. I use another 10 amp fuse right at the battery where i connect the wire to the positive terminal. That way if the lead accidentally connects to ground the fuse blows. This could happen if the insulation frays, although not too likely to happen. Cant wire it with no fuse though or if a short does occur the wire would quickly get red red hot and burn something else as well as melt all the insulation off.

Cant think of anything else right now, but if you do mount on top of the roof you have to figure out how you want to do that. I use those moving straps and i put silicone rubber feet on the mounting brackets so the panel does not scratch the roof paint. The straps are rated at something like 300 pound force, and if you look at the formula for the pressure on an angled panel of that size you would find it is much under 300 pounds force, which means you could probably even drive at 70mph with it still on top, but i always take mine off before i drive anyway just to be sure. I imagine you could use some kind of quick connect strap too and that would allow you to take it off quickly.
I did drive with it one time still one, but only at a top speed of 35mph, and only about 3 miles. No hint of any panel movement.

I'll look up the name of mine in a few minutes and post it here.

Ok here are the two things i got from Amazon:
[1] SOLPERK Solar panel kit, 20w, 12v.
[2] SOLPERK Solar panel mount, 13.8 inch, adjustable angle 0 to 60 degrees.
The adjustable angle only goes from 0 to 45 degrees though not 0 to 60 although they say it goes to 60.
The solar panel kit comes with some wire and a charge controller, but i ran my own wire, #16 AWG, one for positive and one for negative (did not use chassis ground, ran both battery leads direct to the charge controller, with fuses).
Oh yes i also bought inline fuse holders and put a 2 amp in near the charge controller and a 10 amp in the lead right next to the positive battery post. My panel puts out about 1 amp max, and it will actually blow out a 1 amp fuse after a few days as i found out.

I also think this brand name is a good one and would have gotten this one instead, but i never tried it so far:
ECO-WORTHY

The names sound really stupid but they work pretty well, so far.
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Thanks for the detail! This is the one I'm looking at (I would have used the MVS Amazon link but it's not working). I take it you're not a fan of the bracket that comes with it?
https://www.amazon.com/SOLPERK-Maintain ... r=8-5&th=1
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OK, can't post links I guess. Anyway it's the SOLPERK Solar Panel Kit 20W 12V, Solar Battery Trickle Charger Maintainer + Upgrade Controller + Adjustable Mount Bracket
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jmartin919 wrote: 25 May 2023, 10:49 OK, can't post links I guess. Anyway it's the SOLPERK Solar Panel Kit 20W 12V, Solar Battery Trickle Charger Maintainer + Upgrade Controller + Adjustable Mount Bracket
Hi,

Here are some pics that show the items i used.
One is the solar panel kit, and the other is the new bracket.
I bought the panel first, then realized i needed a better bracket. You may not need that though depending on how you want to mount it. If you bolt it down you may not need the better bracket, but it is hard to bolt down with just that one little bracket.
You can do the same as i did though, get the panel first, then see if you want the bracket later. They may make a version that comes with the better bracket i know they used to, but i dont see it anymore, maybe you can find it.

Maybe once you get it up and running you can come back and post some info about your experience with this. For me it has been great the only way i could deal with my battery situation. If you are parked where you can get a power line cord to the car you can use that, but i could not do that so i had to do something else to get power to the car. This panel worked well for that.
Oh, you also have to make sure you don't have too much shading or else the sunlight can't get to the panel very well.
Just to note, i did not use those big alligator clips i used crimp terminals, the kind with the round hole, and bolted it to the M6 bolts that stick up from the battery connectors. I used two M6 nuts but i will be adding some washers and lock nuts in the future. I would never use the alligators except for testing with the car not ever moving.

Here are the actual products i just got right from the Amazon pages...I also used inline fuse holders and fuses...
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1998 v70, non turbo, FWD, base model, on the road from April 2nd, 2015 to July 26, 2023.

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