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02 XC70 - No old cheap Volvos

Post by scot850 »

I have often said there is no such thing as a cheap Volvo (I guess you can say that for all brands these days).

I was asked to give an opinion on a the above car as a possible donation to a friend's student son by a friend of ours. He did not want to offer it without s check over as he did not want it to be a burden for repair.

I know I can be over critical, but this car is being used on the road! I was horrified when I saw a few issues. The owner did send a list of issues he and his wife were aware of, but they were actually mostly smaller stuff + tires + windshield.

Below I have amalgamated the lists and it makes interesting reading to me as how what on the face of it looks like a nice car and how quickly it can become a financial anchor!


2002 Volvo V70 XC – Known Issues
Mechanical
1 Needs wheel alignment - Inside rear tires are wearing badly - Can't see an obvious cause. Volvo mechanic friend to check.
2 Generally runs really good, but occasionally runs rough and then fixes itself. Shouldn't be the plugs, which were done at
320,000km. (Plugs life span?) Could also be a flakey coil pack, one of which has been replaced. (Multiple engine codes)
3 Engine Burns one liter of oil between 12,000 km services. (Not concerned)
4 Transmission replaced with used at 280,000 Km, has a rough 1-2 shift especially when hot. (check software + oil change)
5 Summer tires are bald. One has been run flat or near flat and should be looked at before driving much further. (Tires are
dangerous and not driven on!!
) 2 are 13 years old and 2 are 10 years old!
6 Winter tires (not bald) on separate rims need balancing (No issue - have balanced and fitted)
7 Passenger mirror has been replaced with an aftermarket mirror. Goes out of adjustment every time car is started (Find used
one – not critical
)
8 Drivers door window up/down button flakey. Especially in cold weather. Needs a good wack sometimes to operate. (find OE
used at junkyard
)
9 Need to check PVC system, as camshaft seal recently went. Has been replaced along with timing belt, etc. (Need to do PCV
glove test - see later notes on oil leaks
)
10 Engine light is on - O2 sensor (confirmed – no signal – replace)
11 Brake light warning comes on when braking. Light does work, it's just an LED bub that doesn't draw much current, so the car
thinks it's burnt out. (Replace bulbs)
12 Drivers interior door handle broken. It's Mcgivered to stay on. (find used – not critical)
13 Rear Wiper broken off – (Part # 9485166 – Arm, 9139570 – blade)
14 Drivers Seat Heater not working – (non-issue – will check system)
15 Windshield badly cracked – ($270 + tax from Cal-Alta)
16 Headlight wipers do not function – (Not critical)
17 Leaking oil on pipe from turbo to intercooler (at front of radiator) – Clean and monitor
18 Leaky A.C pipe? – Clean and monitor
19 Lower torque mount – (Totally failed – Replace)
20 Oil leaking in area above LHF axle/trans – (Clean and ID source)
21 Oil leaking from Power steering reservoir – (replace – used/new)
22 Oil leaking from front of engine on crank pulley – (Clean and monitor source)
23 Shocks – Fronts blown and rears sweating – (Replace + upper spring seats)
24 Brakes – All pads and rotors worn out/bad + check RHR caliper – (Replace)
25 Muffler system – Front + rear mufflers leaking – (Replace)
26 Suspension – All mostly good – (Have mechanic friend check rear bushes on trailing arms)
27 Fuel filter – YIKES! Really rusty and flaking – (Replace ASAP!!)

Cosmetic
1 Hail Damage – (minimal – non-critical)
2 Protectant film on hood disintegrating. Could probably be removed (non-issue, can be done or not)
3 Several dents. Could probably be removed with PDR – (non-issue)
4 Missing several miscellaneous interior pieces are broken – (can be fixed over time)

Electrical
1 Radio occasionally changes stations on its own (Can be fixed or not – junkyard)
2 Dash Light that illuminates the transmission position (D,R,etc.) and outside temperature is not working - (investigate)

Some scary reading in this! I used to estimate on a minimum of $2500-3000 CDN to bring a car up to my preferred condition. This could easily exceed that by a chunk. I'm going to have my mechanic friend go over this list and see if he needs to add to this list or advise to live with and monitor any stuff.

I have not gone through the car with a fine comb to check for any other stuff, but see no point until we decide what we are going to do with the car. Options are the owner fixes some of the car and then passes it on with a list to the young guy to invest into over time as he is looking for a cheaper car to run than his 94 GMC truck.

I'll let you know how this works out. :D

Neil.
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Post by volvolugnut »

Depending on the condition of the 94 GMC, total operating cost (fuel, oil and repairs) may be less for the truck. Fuel will be more for the truck for sure.
Is appearance an issue for the guy? Is the truck cooler than the Volvo for him? The Volvo does have covered cargo space.
If he is handy, direct him to several Volvo salvage yards for needed parts.
Tough choices here. Even tougher when you have only one vehicle and it gets as cold as where you are. Go looking for another vehicle?
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Post by matthew1 »

scot850 wrote: 04 Aug 2024, 16:47 Below I have amalgamated the lists and it makes interesting reading to me as how what on the face of it looks like a nice car and how quickly it can become a financial anchor!
Neil it looks like you're now booked through mid 2025 :lol: :shock:
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Post by scot850 »

:shock: :lol: :lol:

It will depend on the current owner and the potential new owner what happens next. My ex-Volvo mechanic friend will hopefully come over this week for a quick look over and either confirm/add to/ reduce the list so I can pass it to the current owner. That will determine the car's future. It seems wasteful to scrap, but maybe pass on to someone who can do something with it. As Volvolugnut pointed out, fixing the safety items first would make sense, but only if the engine is sound. Brakes/shocks/windshield would cost around $1300 CDN or $1000 US. Then there would also be tires. It apparently has a usable set of winters on rims, but what is usable based on the owner is driving on the current summers!? :shock:

For example an 11 XC70 T6 came up for sale today for $2300CDN. Owner said it was driving fine one day and the next car starts and engine runs but when you try to move it, it just rocks back and forward and shudders.

Sounds like a trans issue to me. Putting a trans in the car would still make sense as the car mileage is about 185k miles. Rest of the car is supposedly 'excellent'. Based on the T6 XC60 we just trans swapped that would be about a $3000 CDN additional cost. So $5300 CDN or about $4000 US.

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2006 V70 2.5T AWD Polestar tune
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2003 Toyota 4Runner V8 Limited
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Post by MoVolvos »

scot850 wrote: 04 Aug 2024, 19:32 :shock: :lol: :lol:

It will depend on the current owner and the potential new owner what happens next. My ex-Volvo mechanic friend will hopefully come over this week for a quick look over and either confirm/add to/ reduce the list so I can pass it to the current owner. That will determine the car's future. It seems wasteful to scrap, but maybe pass on to someone who can do something with it. As Volvolugnut pointed out, fixing the safety items first would make sense, but only if the engine is sound. Brakes/shocks/windshield would cost around $1300 CDN or $1000 US. Then there would also be tires. It apparently has a usable set of winters on rims, but what is usable based on the owner is driving on the current summers!? :shock:

For example an 11 XC70 T6 came up for sale today for $2300CDN. Owner said it was driving fine one day and the next car starts and engine runs but when you try to move it, it just rocks back and forward and shudders.

Sounds like a trans issue to me. Putting a trans in the car would still make sense as the car mileage is about 185k miles. Rest of the car is supposedly 'excellent'. Based on the T6 XC60 we just trans swapped that would be about a $3000 CDN additional cost. So $5300 CDN or about $4000 US.

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It's ashamed you are not close or I could sell you the 02 V70 XC with almost 84K miles that I'm using as my daily at a reasonable price.
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That would be very nice! Only 84k miles. Wow!!

The killer is always the drive, although NC is a very nice part of the world, it is a long drive to hear. Then we have to got the the stupid Canadian 'process' to get the car into the country. You now have to hire a 'professional broker' to bring the car across the border. That is several hundred $$$'s for doing very little. Then to get it registered, we have to get an 'Out-of-Province' inspection provided by limited repair shops and is well known as a money making process. Any faults the find (even the imaginary ones) have to be repaired by them at stupid rates. Finally, to get it insured you need an insurance safety inspection, why when it should be covered by previous inspection. But no, it has to be on another form.............

I looked into this a couple of years ago when looking on importing a car from Montana. The car was only $1500 US, but the cross border and inspections charges more than doubled the cost of the car.

The offer is appreciated very much though! Never say never!

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2003 Toyota 4Runner V8 Limited
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1993 850 GLT -Sold
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I did some more checking on the car today to do with some rough running. I at least posted that in the right forum, but as this is here, I will add this link to the questions posed in the P2 forum:

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If this can be moved in it's entirety to the P2 forum administrators, that would be appreciated!! :D

Thanks,

Neil.
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2003 Toyota 4Runner V8 Limited
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scot850 wrote: 04 Aug 2024, 19:32 It seems wasteful to scrap
Sounds like Geronimo, maybe nicer. I chose to fix that car and it's currently a rolling restoration, pouring on miles as a somewhat comfortable commuter. We know these engines can run forever, it's just the parts which wear out, so replace them.

I'd be nervous about the 2001-2004 XC70 AWD angle gear failing, rendering the AWD useless, leaving you with a lot of dead weight. That happened to one I knew and I read that it was a common failure. I'd invest my time in a more simple car like an FWD NA or a 2005-2007 XC70 which I believe has a better AWD system.
scot850 wrote: 04 Aug 2024, 19:32 For example an 11 XC70 T6 came up for sale today for $2300CDN.
I'd avoid that due to, as I understand, a known problem of excessive oil consumption from poorly designed piston rings. I'm working with a 2013 XC70 T6 which drinks (and leaks) oil. On the P80 and P2, at least we know the engine is very robust and all the replaceable parts on the car can be swapped for new. If the P3 T6 truly has an inevitably bad engine, is the rest worth saving?
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Post by scot850 »

Some P2's are know to have a drinking problem as well. The later 5 series engines are seemingly not as robust I hear from some and yet I regularly see P2 XC70's for sale with well over 500,000km (over 300,000 miles).

The 98-02 or 03 used the old viscous coupling units. The angle gear is or can be bad on any AWD Volvo (P80,P1,P2,P3). Most of the issues again come from overly aggressive driving and hard starts off the line. Then drivers continue to drive the cars when the sleeve from the trans to the angle gear fails. This in turn wrecks the splines in the angle gear. I pulled one recently in a yard as a spare, but left it as all the splines were worn off and the sleeve was basically a pipe. And then there are many owners who also deem them non-serviceable. I have found the oil looking like old grease in a couple.

The Haldex system is deemed a better system. It is when maintained. I see many for sale with the AWD warning up saying it needs serviced. Again a service that is not done. Basically any old car is a lottery. The AWD in this car works as I understand it, but maybe an oil change is not a bad thing, same as the rear diff.

In this case, taking your advice (always good to have someone looking over your shoulder!), we are going into this with eyes wide open. I plan to spend no more than maybe $200 CDN covering an oil change and CVVT solenoid service and check for resistance, and if it is good fit a new gasket and refit, if bad I have a good used one in the stash. I will then check and see if there is a new Bosch O2 sensor in my stash on a replacement stock basis. Fit that, and then clear the codes and see if the car improves. I will probably have a look at the plugs to see what they are like as well as coil conditions for cracks/oil seepage from the leaking oil fill cap.

Then removing and cleaning the throttle body is another low cost repair. Refitting and see if the running improves. I think this can all be done in that initial budget, or close to it. If the engine is running better or we diagnose other parts are needed we can assess at that point.

Around here, an equally high mileage Volvo is selling for higher than $3500 and will likely need the same again in servicing to get to a good running condition. Likely with many of the same repairs needed. So starting with a car that cost nothing is a good spot to start at. The car has only 2 spots of rust and is solid underneath. There is surface rust at the front lower edge of the rear fenders by the rear doors starting behind the arch cladding. That is easily fixed to hold at bay. Doesn't need to be pretty!

Thanks and inputs appreciated!

Neil.
2006 V70 2.5T AWD Polestar tune
2000 V70 R - still being an endless PITA
2006 XC70 - Our son now has this and still parked in our garage
2003 Toyota 4Runner V8 Limited
2015 Kia Sportage EX-L - Sold
1993 850 GLT -Sold
1998 V70 XC - Sold
1997 Volvo 850 SE NA - Went to niece in California - Sold
2000 V70 SE NA - Sold

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