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VolvoBrit
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Re: DIY: 1998 S70 GLT Ignition Tumbler FREE Fix!

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Krons wrote: 01 Jul 2023, 13:33 Hmm, yours may unfortunately be past a cleaning.
That's my fear also..I'll see if when I take it off if depressing the large rectangular key in the top that fits under the steering column makes things better; Two choices, it will or it won't. But I do baulk at the $500 for a tumbler. Daylight robbery.

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This morning I at last managed to remove the second screw. Fairly mangled but I'll put new ones in anyway. I watched a video whereby someone did the same, and simply depressing the oblong block key in the top of the unit allowed the ignition key to turn and start the car. Naturally mine won't, and I can't detach the unit from the black plug (Key side rear) because the key has to be in position 1 to do that. And mine resolutely refuses to leave 0. But it did give me an opportunity to have a better look at the underside where the steel plate was removed and I see that the ignition key turns what looks like a metal ring/cam but of course mine isn't turning. I see no way of dismantling the unit to delve inside and although the anchor piece that broke off the metal plate remains inside I'm not sure if that is the problem and if it is, how to get it out. Suggestions before I set fire to the car? Thanks in advance.

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Post by VolvoBrit »

It wasn't pretty but I at last managed to get off the transmission lock cable plug thing off the housing. I've ordered a new housing so damaging the old one wasn't an issue. I tried a diamond dremel disc, wouldn't touch it. I tried an oscillating tool diamond cutter, wouldn't touch it. Then I read in post elsewhere that prizing out the little disc and removing the spring and locking piece beneath would free things up, no, it didn't. So I resorted to the precision instrument, a hammer. And belted the housing several times, still nothing, and some more, and this time the key turned and the plug came out. Now waiting for the new tumbler, a story in itself in the ordering!

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This is an excellent thread, which I found because I had the 'key won't go past position 1' problem. I decided to try the Dremel trick. The plate is still partially in (being held by the arm/latch, as seen in that Locksmith Volvo Ignition Service video that has been posted a couple of times, or in cn90's post from 25 Nov 2018), but the broken piece fell out right away, and I pulled out the spring. The steering lock is disabled, which I confirmed with the key out, and I can start the car...

...but I can't move it because it's stuck in park. :( Don't know what to do now...

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Post by abscate »

You have probably delinked the cable interlock between the key and shifter

Push the small button on the shift console, forward and right of the shifter , to release the Park lock
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Post by Ripplin »

Thank you for the quick reply. I tried pressing down the Shift Lock Override button several times, pushing it down as far as it'll go, but the shifter won't budge. The button you depress to shift has no resistance to it, it's just sort of flopping around.

Is it anything like in this video? (had to find it again after seeing it a few days ago; remembered something about "yellow"...)


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Post by pio »

Hi,

I am new to this forum. Great thread here about solving ignition lock problems, however I have some questions:

1) what is the exact position in which gear transmission cable can be disconnected from ignition lock housing? Some say, the lock needs to be rotated to position 1, some say to position 2 and some disconnected it without turning the key. I am asking because I dont want to damage that cable while disconnecting it and I read in some YT video comments that someone damaged it by trying to disconnect I think without turning the key.

2) The trick with dreneling the plate from the bottom:

I understand that some broken piece fell down or you remove them if they not fell by itself and if I understand correctly, ignition lock starts turning but you loose steering wheel lock functionality. However, steering lock mechanism is actually still in the lock housing - apart from little broken piece which werw removed. That way, how sure can you be that lock mechanism will not engine while driving?

I think the best would be to remove ignition lock from the car and then disassemble all the steering lock mechanism and throw away to trash.

Also what for is the 'relocker PIN' ? 5:20 on this fanous video:

I now have problem with Volvo S80 ignition lock, the problem is between position 2 and 3 (ignition to start). The key is turning but we can hear a little cracks inside the lock when we turn it to position 3 and because of that, the starter does not turn every time.

So I want to do complete permanent fix for this ignition lock, thats why I want to remove it comoletely from car, remove all steering wheel lock mechanism parts, also want to remove ignition lock cylinder and inspect and change or file wafers which might be worn.

Thank you

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What year and model s80 do you have? We might need to start a new thread.
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Post by pio »

S80 1999 year. Ignition lock is the same like XC90 and V70.

Mainly just wanna know in which position the transmission gear cable is easily removable to avoid damage to it because that will make car non runner.

Further I think I am gonna handle it, gathering all that info from this thread and other sources I already went through.

And question No. 2 what is that 'relocker PIN' on 5:20 mark on locksmiths video I linked above. I looked for second hand ignition locks and noticed not every one of them got this.

EDIT: Okay, I found what I needed about the interlock cable here on this forum:

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Question 2 remains open though 🙂

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Post by pio »

Hi,

Update for my case.

The shear bolts is absolutely nightmare. Until now, I havent had proboems to remove those bolts from ignition lock housing of other cars...

Here it surpsingly wasnt difficult to loosen them a bit and at that point I thought 'ok I got it' but then it stopped and was like cementem. I even managed to dremel cut both bolts for a flat head screen driver and then managed to loosen a bit more but then next stop, even tougher. I asked a friend for help, hes much syronger and somehow finally we did it or well, rather he did it. Absolute nightmare and I really Wonder how dealership is handling with removing those bolts because surely they do it Quick enough.

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