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New Starter is too Short?

Help, Advice and DIY Tutorials on Volvo's P80 platform cars -- Volvo's 1990s "bread and butter" cars -- powered by the ubiquitous and durable Volvo inline 5-cylinder engine.

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Re: New Starter is too Short?

Post by erikv11 »

I have only seen the long ones on junkyard cars, I don't see why you would want one if shoping? Get the one that works and is easy to procure.
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Post by bigdaddylee82 »

The Beck Arnley one is on it's way back already. I called FCP this morning and gave them the numbers off of my starter, they cross referenced them to a remanufactured Bosch unit, and I bought it. Literally twice the price of the short one I originally bought, but I'll allegedly get $75 back for the core if I ship them my old one.

The original lasted 20 years, and close to 250K miles, I'd just as soon have another one just like it.

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Post by rspi »

I have seen long and short. It really doesn't matter. I don't think the newer P80 cars have that rear bracket.

Your starting issue is likely due to a bad battery cable anyway.
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Post by bigdaddylee82 »

rspi wrote:I have seen long and short. It really doesn't matter. I don't think the newer P80 cars have that rear bracket.

Your starting issue is likely due to a bad battery cable anyway.
I haven't been on MVS in a while did it turn into Volvospeed while I've been away? :lol:

The bad starter's issue is a flaky solenoid, replacement solenoid costs enough that I decided I might as well get a whole starter.

With MVS' help I ordered the proper starter for my car, done.

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What is wrong with VolvoSpeed?
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Post by dosbricks »

Lee, I don't think Robert meant to be abrupt. A solenoid can weaken because of internal corrosion of the + cable impeding the current flow. He was just giving you a heads up on that. Our S70 has a proclivity for this while the 850 does not seem to. I've replaced the starter on both cars.

Robert, I think Lee is referring to some of the young modders on vs being a bit abrupt--enough that I only visit there when absolutely necessary. Which isn't often.
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Post by bigdaddylee82 »

So the 10 min phone conversation with FCP, and them cross referencing the numbers off of my starter, got me another short starter.

Old on top new reman Bosch on bottom.
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However the stand-offs and studs for the rear mounting bracket are longer than the Beck Arnley I returned. Though the stand-offs still aren't quite long enough.
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Tired of of playing starter shuffle, and needing my car on the road again, I improvised. The new starter's studs are bigger, so the nuts on my original starter didn't fit, of course the new starter didn't come with nuts either. I didn't have anything that fit, so I had to make a trip to the hardware store. I wonder how many folks have walked into Home Depot with a starter? I determined that the studs were 6mm, bought what I needed, came home and did this. Outer nuts are Nyloc, the locking part of the nut is flush with the end of the stud. The inner nuts are regular ole nuts.
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That put the bracket in almost exactly the same spot as the original one.
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So ends the "Saga of the Short Starter." I hope.

Thanks for those who chimed in with advice. Nothing I ever do is simple.

- Lee

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Maybe even Bosch is not rebuilding the long ones. :wink:
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