Best Way To Start A Flooded Engine 1998v70 (with slight diversion to quantum mechanics , relativity, dark matter states,

[RickHaleParker]

The New York Times reported that there are many scientists that are (and i quote) "terrified" about the launch. They say there is so much riding on this for NASA, but i see this as having a lot riding on this project for humanity. There is such a wide area of research this will make or break, or that becomes delayed or impossible. Remember this project cost is 10 billion, not million, and 20 or more years in the making. There are some that were working toward this goal for 30 years.

I think i have to void the 99 percent success rates because this is such a novel application with both time and money at stake, and even the reputation of NASA, and as everyone everywhere knows, launch operations are always risky.

That is life on the bleeding edge. If one can't take a bloody nose from time to time, one should fall back to the trailing edge.

Falling back from the risk is not a long term option. The earth's crustal resources is pretty poor. All the crustal resources where deposited by the late bombardment or brought up by volcanic activity. Most of the earth's raw materials sank to the core during the molten earth period.

We will be seeing peak production on a lot of raw materials in the next 50 years. Space within our own solar system has a lot more raw materials, in higher concentrations and more accessible once we can work in the environments. Heck .. if we can just access commercial quantities of He₃ it would go a long ways toward solving our immediate energy and climate change problems.

“If you can't take a little bloody nose, maybe you ought to go back home, and crawl under your bed. It's not safe out here! It's wondrous...with treasures to satiate desires both subtle and gross; but it's not for the timid.” -- Q

[MrAl]

The New York Times reported that there are many scientists that are (and i quote) "terrified" about the launch. They say there is so much riding on this for NASA, but i see this as having a lot riding on this project for humanity. There is such a wide area of research this will make or break, or that becomes delayed or impossible. Remember this project cost is 10 billion, not million, and 20 or more years in the making. There are some that were working toward this goal for 30 years.

I think i have to void the 99 percent success rates because this is such a novel application with both time and money at stake, and even the reputation of NASA, and as everyone everywhere knows, launch operations are always risky.

That is life on the bleeding edge. If one can't take a bloody nose from time to time, one should fall back to the trailing edge.

Falling back from the risk is not a long term option. The earth's crustal resources is pretty poor. All the crustal resources where deposited by the late bombardment or brought up by volcanic activity. Most of the earth's raw materials sank to the core during the molten earth period.

We will be seeing peak production on a lot of raw materials in the next 50 years. Space within our own solar system has a lot more raw materials, in higher concentrations and more accessible once we can work in the environments. Heck .. if we can just access commercial quantities of He₃ it would go a long ways toward solving our immediate energy and climate change problems.

“If you can't take a little bloody nose, maybe you ought to go back home, and crawl under your bed. It's not safe out here! It's wondrous...with treasures to satiate desires both subtle and gross; but it's not for the timid.” -- Q

Well you know what they say Rick, there's a philosophy for everything, but only one true philosophy, and that is that there is a philosophy for everything. Oh wait sorry about that, 'they' didnt say it i just did (har har har).
But it is true, you can argue almost any point as being true or if you prefer, false.

I like that little philosophical idea, that you have to take risks at one time or another. But i still feel that this risk is like none other. I think the saddest part could be the feeling everyone gets if it does go wrong. It would be very sad for many people myself included, so of course i hope and pray it goes smoothly. We wont know for sure about the launch of couse before the launch date, but we wont know if the whole project is a success for another 6 or more months as it evolves itself into a giant telescope. Transformering and then test upon test. I have to say though, it is exciting that we can possibly do something like this.

My take on all this though after considering as much as i possibly can, is that we should have simultaneously designed a robot repair craft, that can go out and fix something if it goes wrong. I know they can do it if I myself can (given enough time).
Remember the Shuttle, which i was against since it started although of course loved the successful missions. It was used to fix the Hubble i think. Now we dont have that anymore and i think it might be too far out to send a human crew. But with a repair craft we would get a second chance (perhaps) depending on the speed of the current mission craft.

It's nice to talk to people that are not just intellegent like you but also well tempered and reasonable. I run into a lot of 'technical' people that are borderline trolls. That makes good discussions very hard to achieve.

Thanks for the reply and the ideas.

[RickHaleParker]

I like that little philosophical idea, that you have to take risks at one time or another. But i still feel that this risk is like none other.

Have you ever watched the three part BBC documentary Precision: The Measure of All Things ? That can give you inspiration and hope. You can find the series on the streaming media channel Curiosity Stream which has a real low subscription rate and a lot of things I think you will like or you can watch the series on YouTube.

I think the saddest part could be the feeling everyone gets if it does go wrong. It would be very sad for many people myself included, so of course i hope and pray it goes smoothly.

Let us hope none of the companies involved where foolish enough to put an MBA in charge of the engineering department.

It will be sad if it does not go smoothly but there is no why anybody rational can say it is a waste of money or time. The ROI on NASA spin off technology is somewhere between 7:1 to 40:1. As a nation we get back every penny and then some. That is why the 10 billion price tag does not worry me. Then there is the scientific and technical advancements. We have already learned a lot just by doing the project.

I run into a lot of 'technical' people that are borderline trolls. That makes good discussions very hard to achieve.

I think I know the type you are referring to. My term for their game is One Man Upmanship. You cannot get a good discussion from them because, discussion is not what they seek.

[MrAl]

I like that little philosophical idea, that you have to take risks at one time or another. But i still feel that this risk is like none other.

Have you ever watched the three part BBC documentary Precision: The Measure of All Things ? That can give you inspiration and hope. You can find the series on the streaming media channel Curiosity Stream which has a real low subscription rate and a lot of things I think you will like or you can watch the series on YouTube.

I think the saddest part could be the feeling everyone gets if it does go wrong. It would be very sad for many people myself included, so of course i hope and pray it goes smoothly.

Let us hope none of the companies involved where foolish enough to put an MBA in charge of the engineering department.

It will be sad if it does not go smoothly but there is no why anybody rational can say it is a waste of money or time. The ROI on NASA spin off technology is somewhere between 7:1 to 40:1. As a nation we get back every penny and then some. That is why the 10 billion price tag does not worry me. Then there is the scientific and technical advancements. We have already learned a lot just by doing the project.

I run into a lot of 'technical' people that are borderline trolls. That makes good discussions very hard to achieve.

I think I know the type you are referring to. My term for their game is One Man Upmanship. You cannot get a good discussion from them because, discussion is not what they seek.

Hi again,

Some interestging ideas from you again, nice to hear some logical throught on the web

I dont use any streaming services yet, although i am thrinking about it all the time now as cable TV is getting very, very, very boring and repetative.

Yes i forgot to factor in the advancements we get from these projects, i hope that could be comforting to scientists if something goes wrong. I think it does for me a little, maybe a lot.

Yes now that you mention it, that is true, the trolls are not looking to talk about anything seriously. That does explain why they are so hard to get along with.

One more little Jimmy Webb fact i'd like to enter into the log here. There are a lot of really interesting things about this project but this wone really hit me as quite amazing.
Right now, as we speak, the spacecraft mounted on the launch pad, has a 'folded up' telescope with defective mirrors on it. That means if we set it up right now and tried to view out in deep space or even fin the not so deep space, we would get blurry images.
It's quite amazing that they have to be designed that way on Earth with the climate we have here such that when they get a million miles out there they warp into the perfect shape because of the change in temperature. Here on Earth the temperature around the launch pad might be somewhat normal like 50 F to 90 F or something like that, but out there the temperature is around minus 280 degrees F, that's extremely cold, and so the mirrors warp. If we designed it to work on Earth then it would not work in space. That's pretty amazing.
Add to that, it will receive about 100 thousand watts from our Sun which is a LOT of heating power, so it needs giant football field sized sun shields, and they are extemly thin, and have to unfold in a minus 280 degrees F environment or else the telescope will overheat.

So this is going to be one hack of a "Transformer" out there in the bitter cold of space. Pretty amazing, and if it goes off without a hitch i am going to have to give NASA some sort of award/medal for being about to accomplish such ambitious goal.

[RickHaleParker]

Right now, as we speak, the spacecraft mounted on the launch pad, has a 'folded up' telescope with defective mirrors on it. ~~~~~
So this is going to be one hack of a "Transformer" out there in the bitter cold of space. Pretty amazing, and if it goes off without a hitch i am going to have to give NASA some sort of award/medal for being about to accomplish such ambitious goal.

Computational Origami and Thermodynamics engineering. Now I see the source of your jitters. Computational Origami and Thermodynamics engineering are two branches that are just coming to a mature level.

People working on Light Sails where having trouble getting the sails to deploy reliability here on earth and a Light Sail does not require anywhere near the precision a mirror does.

The people who have been working on the fringes in Computational Origami and Thermodynamics engineering are deftly biting their nails.

On Curiosity Stream there a documentary named "The Origami Code".

You can get a Roku stick at Walmart for $15.00. Curiosity Stream is $19.99 per year. For $35.00 you would get some relief from the brain dead zombie stuff that has flooded the media outlets. As for a internet data plan. We don't have cable and watch streaming media all day long. We don't go over our current 1.25GB limit. We went over a couple of times when the limit was 1.00GB.

[850oldschool]

Computational origami seems like it would lend itself to using a GPU as the compute engine. Is that true?

[MrAl]

Right now, as we speak, the spacecraft mounted on the launch pad, has a 'folded up' telescope with defective mirrors on it. ~~~~~
So this is going to be one hack of a "Transformer" out there in the bitter cold of space. Pretty amazing, and if it goes off without a hitch i am going to have to give NASA some sort of award/medal for being about to accomplish such ambitious goal.

Computational Origami and Thermodynamics engineering. Now I see the source of your jitters. Computational Origami and Thermodynamics engineering are two branches that are just coming to a mature level.

People working on Light Sails where having trouble getting the sails to deploy reliability here on earth and a Light Sail does not require anywhere near the precision a mirror does.

The people who have been working on the fringes in Computational Origami and Thermodynamics engineering are deftly biting their nails.

On Curiosity Stream there a documentary named "The Origami Code".

You can get a Roku stick at Walmart for $15.00. Curiosity Stream is $19.99 per year. For $35.00 you would get some relief from the brain dead zombie stuff that has flooded the media outlets. As for a internet data plan. We don't have cable and watch streaming media all day long. We don't go over our current 1.25GB limit. We went over a couple of times when the limit was 1.00GB.

Sounds interesting but dont you basically have to pay for every channel you stream when you just use streaming TV of some type? One subscription for $5 isnt bad, but if you do 10 channels that's $50 extra already.
For example, what can you watch on Roku without paying? Anything good?

[abscate]

We punted cable and stream

Hulu
Netflix
Britbox
Peacock

For our group of 9!

Much cheaper than a cable subscription.

You can’t get content in all markets from these unless you * cough* have channel VPN

[RickHaleParker]

Sounds interesting but dont you basically have to pay for every channel you stream when you just use streaming TV of some type? One subscription for $5 isnt bad, but if you do 10 channels that's $50 extra already.
For example, what can you watch on Roku without paying? Anything good?

There is a mix of free and subscription channels. On demand and scheduled broadcast. There are channels like Stirr which is free and has over 100 free live channels. You might find Stirr or something like it to be a suitable replacement for your cable subscription. You could drop cable and roll what you are paying for cable into a selection of channels that is more tailored to you or just keep that money in your pocket. Simply adding a channel to your Roku device does not sign you up for any paid service. You have to give consent before you can be billed for anything.

Roku channel is free. Ted Talks is free. There are some documentary channels that are free. There are movie channels that are free as well as a lot of other free. Some are good. Some are a joke. There is a lot you can explore without adding expenses to your budget. That would be the way to start off until you get the hang of it and figure out what works for you .

Browse through the Roku Channel store for a better idea of what you would be getting into.

Do all your billing through your Roku account because you can cancel anything anytime from the Roku account. The Roku website through you browser is how you do this. This way you don't get locked in to a long term commitment.

[MrAl]

Sounds interesting but dont you basically have to pay for every channel you stream when you just use streaming TV of some type? One subscription for $5 isnt bad, but if you do 10 channels that's $50 extra already.
For example, what can you watch on Roku without paying? Anything good?

There is a mix of free and subscription channels. On demand and scheduled broadcast. There are channels like Stirr which is free and has over 100 free live channels. You might find Stirr or something like it to be a suitable replacement for your cable subscription. You could drop cable and roll what you are paying for cable into a selection of channels that is more tailored to you or just keep that money in your pocket. Simply adding a channel to your Roku device does not sign you up for any paid service. You have to give consent before you can be billed for anything.

Roku channel is free. Ted Talks is free. There are some documentary channels that are free. There are movie channels that are free as well as a lot of other free. Some are good. Some are a joke. There is a lot you can explore without adding expenses to your budget. That would be the way to start off until you get the hang of it and figure out what works for you .

Browse through the Roku Channel store for a better idea of what you would be getting into.

Do all your billing through your Roku account because you can cancel anything anytime from the Roku account. The Roku website through you browser is how you do this. This way you don't get locked in to a long term commitment.

Hi,

Ok i'll check that out.

You know what is funny, it's almost like cable TV is trying to push people to streaming where they can charge per channel. I noticed lately it has gotten really strange with so so so many OLD programs being shown, and OLD OLD OLD movies, and other stuff that they have shown literally 100's of times over and over again. It seems like they are trying to bother people so that they get rid of cable and go to their substription stuff.
One incident really got to me. There was an espisode of South Park that was now shown on Comedy Central, but the advertisment for that episode WAS shown on the CC channel. It said the only way you can watch it was to see it on the Paramount streaming channel. So i am paying $160 dollars USD a month so i can see comercials for subscription channels!
To top that off, Verizon keeps showing their DOUBLE commecials that tell ME what i had done in my home (which i didnt) and tell me how i can 'take' all my photos and stuff to their "CLOUD", where they can chanrge me for that TOO. And these Verizon commercials come on a LOT, and repeat the same stupid stuff. So i am paying them to show me their stupid commercials too.
Is that enough? Nope. Comedy Central increases their air time for normal 30 minute shows to 35 minutes so they can stick 5 more minutes of stupid comercials in, and sometimes it is more than 35 minutes, like 37 minutes with the extra time for more commercials. If that doesnt piss someone off i dont know what would.
A lot of people i have talked to in the past 6 months have dropped cable. I wonder why