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Driving impressions: S80 vs. 850

Everything on the Volvo S80. Sometimes called an "executive car", the S80 was Volvo's top-of-the-line passenger car. P2 platform.
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Driving impressions: S80 vs. 850

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Hi S80 guys. I don't get to post much in here so I thought I'd take some impressions from my 50-mile drive in my dad's '99 S80 T6 and put them here.

The Cars

Dad's 1999 S80 T6 has 105k miles, is driven like a grandmother every day, is Moondust with tan interior, has every option available in '99, needs some suspension attention (bushings probably), gets dino oil every 3k, new Michelins, and has an owner who is decidedly not a gearhead or DIY car type. My dad could grow delicious fruits and vegetables in the Sahara, and sell ice to an Eskimo, but he's clueless with cars.

My 1997 850 T5 has 111k miles, is sometimes driven like its driver is being chased by an angry biker gang, is black with a graphite interior, has every option available in '97, also needs some suspension attention (tie rods), gets synth oil every 5k, has older Goodyear tires, and has an owner who is decidedly a gearhead and DIY type. I have trouble keeping houseplants watered.

The Observations

The S80 seats aren't quite as bolstered as my '97 850 T5 seats. Or their surface is more slippery. Or both. Whatever the case, it's the first thing I noticed. [Yes, I've driven his car many times before, but I'm going at this as though my observations are new, which many are.]

It starts fine, but I can hear the unlubricated bits of the engine for 2-ish seconds before the oil gets pumped up and onto them. It makes me cringe. My 850 does this, but it's far less prominent, and for half the time. Perhaps the S80's oil pump is at its end, or the oil weight is too thin.

The S80 gas pedal is a little touchy -- like American cars. The tip-in is RIGHT NOW. I don't like it. It's a cheap way to sell cars -- people test drive cars and it "fakes" power by making customers think if that's the result of just an eighth of the pedal travel, this thing must have loads of power. My 850's pedal is more gradual, something that was a revelation to me in 1986 or so when I drove my friend's parents' 1980 Mercedes 300D.

The S80 is a long-distance runner: there is zero driveline noise and zero road noise at 70mph. The only thing you can hear is air noise.

The Highway is where the S80 shines, it's longer wheelbase and comfortable seats making quick work of miles. The car just speaks to you... Let's go to New Mexico, or Utah, or... anywhere interstate highways go. Conversely, the 850's 4th gear ratio just isn't tall enough, as if the engineers foresaw 55mph speed limit signs stretching off into the distance. [And 1st gear is too tall. Go figure.]

I had much time in a very similar interior as the S80's when I shared a 2004 V70 R with my ex. The S80 and V70 center stacks were nearly identical. And you know what? I like my 850's interior better, especially the driver's environment, despite the seven years designers and engineers had to improve the P2 Volvo's functionality. The only exception is the instrument gauges, where the V70 R takes the trophy hands down. But I'm comparing the S80 and 850, so back to those.

In the bright Colorado sun the S80's dash reflected badly on the inside of the windshield. Bad. I don't know how to solve this, except by getting an aftermarket dash mat, a dark one to absorb all the light. This is the primary reason I like dark interiors rather than Volvo's brighter tan ones.

I've always thought the P2 radios were rather fiddly and fussy, instead of doing what you want them to do and getting out of the way. My dad's S80's radio is no different. The source (CD/FM/AM) dial flies through the choices at even a small degree of input. I like my 850's 816 model radio's buttons.

The Moondust paint I like for practical reasons: doesn't show dirt, scratches or swirl marks nearly as much as black paint. And it looks worlds better at 14 years old than my 850's black paint did at that age.

Engines

The twin-turbo S80 powerplant is George Clooney to the high-pressure, single-turbo's Johnny Rotten. It's linear, strong and quiet. My 850's 222 horses come crashing in all at once when the tach hits 3500. Too bad the T6 found itself mated to weak transmissions the first half of its corporate life. This engineering decision disaster is infamous among us gearheads, and is unfortunate, to say the least.

Neither transmission feels very good or bad (excepting durability, where the 850 has the edge), so I'll leave it at that.

There you have it, my S80 vs 850 comparison. Just like the big car magazines do, only 14 years late. :-D
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Post by Dirtbag454 »

I can add a couple impressions to yours, having owned an 850, which we traded for an S80. The 850 was a rocket ship compared to the S80. The S80 is faster, but the 850 was quicker. Does that make sense? I always liked the nimble nature of the 850...I just wish that it wasn't so boxy. Loved the lines of the S80, hated the tail lights. (still do) The 850 has the same powerplant as Linda's C70 convertible. I insisted in the HP turbo, and have been very happy with the motor. It drops down two gears when you mash the loud pedal, and plants you firmly in the seats. I don't stuff it into corners too fast, because it is missing the whole top half of the car, but all-in-all, I like this car. But I digress...
I was going to dump the S80 because it had developed some issues, issues I was not willing to tackle. After discovering this forum, I am now determined to make this a reliable daily driver that goes like stink, in splendid comfort.
And, yes, I miss the 850.
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Post by matthew1 »

The owner of both my 850 and my dad's S80 -- same guy, ex-CEO of Volvo Construction North America -- said the same thing about the 850. He missed it vs the S80 because of the famous turbo rush starting at 3k RPMs in the HPT 5-cylinder, Porsche-collaborated-on engine family that was used for almost 20 years(!). The first time I got to run my dad's S80 hard I thought "how linear!" The power is so even. It has long legs, and smooth legs. Sound too, the twin-turbo inline 6 is much quieter than my 5, which is not necessarily better. Depends on your taste.

The tail lights -- I like em. They were part of the shared Volvo design language for the P2 family, as seen most often in the S60. But beauty is in the eye of the beholder, as they say.
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Post by 850TurboTurtle »

Timing belt on my 850T estate broke when the water pump seized. So I got a 2005 T6 S80. I have to agree with the Cloony/Rotten comparison. The S80 is faster but smoother so you don't feel it as much. The 850 made you feel like you were on a rocket. Even the Estate. And I baby the s80 because of that tranny.

I do with volvo would just let the radio make sounds and not tie it into the whole car so it's a nightmare to change out.

Great review.

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I too have the tan interior an indeed the way to go in areas with more sunny days is a dash mat. Black by all means, anything less will reflect
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I put a dash mat in my S60 and couldn't be happier. Sure I miss seeing the proper tan dash board of the car, but all reflections are now gone except where is the cut for vents (for this one I just covered the vents some some black porous tissue). Plus, I added some thin aluminum foil under the mat, and now it doesn't irradiate any more any kind of heat when the sun hits the dashboard in hot summer days. Definitely a must.

Speaking of dash reflection on the windshield, consider we didn't got the worst with the tan Volvos. Have a look at this
http://cdn.carcomplaints.com/complaints ... 0d167r.jpg

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Post by June »

One thing to keep in mind while comparing these two models is the 850 was a lower line car with a different demographic. A better comparison would be a 960 or 1997 1998 S90 to the S80. Probably my favorite Volvo was my 1998 S90. It was like a Volvo Town Car. Now I had a 850 with a standard and it was fun to drive and a nice replacement for my 740 GLT. I will say I much prefer the premium surround stereo my S90 and V70 GT both 1998 models to either S80 stereo. Especially the S90! I have yet to have trouble with either GM transmission the 2002 T6 or my current 2004 T6 which I will never let go of but the V70 GT automatic periodically spit the fluid out the top vent if I tried to drive 80 mph + on a hot day. That was a car traded at 4 years old and did it from the beginning. Volvo could never fix it. It never died but sure would make a mess. I guess I really just wanted to point out a better compression would be a S70 to your 850. Oh I definitely liked the inside door handle on the 740 and 850 over any other styles. June
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Dirtbag454 wrote: 10 May 2012, 00:45 I can add a couple impressions to yours, having owned an 850, which we traded for an S80. The 850 was a rocket ship compared to the S80. The S80 is faster, but the 850 was quicker. Does that make sense? I always liked the nimble nature of the 850...I just wish that it wasn't so boxy. Loved the lines of the S80, hated the tail lights. (still do) The 850 has the same powerplant as Linda's C70 convertible. I insisted in the HP turbo, and have been very happy with the motor. It drops down two gears when you mash the loud pedal, and plants you firmly in the seats. I don't stuff it into corners too fast, because it is missing the whole top half of the car, but all-in-all, I like this car. But I digress...
I was going to dump the S80 because it had developed some issues, issues I was not willing to tackle. After discovering this forum, I am now determined to make this a reliable daily driver that goes like stink, in splendid comfort.
And, yes, I miss the 850.
Having owned an 850 T5 and now an 01 S80 T6, I completely agree on all points. The 850 was basically all on at 3k and it was blistering. The S80 has a more even pull and really shines at about 30mph. Either slowly increasing gas or pushing it all the way down, the twins really get you going.

Matthew, the S80 is definitely a highway king, but Volvo has a way of making great cruisers.
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