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Volvo 850 Outer CV joint interchange data

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Volvo Repair Database Volvo 850 Outer CV joint interchange data

Post by northernlights »

I have had a torn drivers side outer CV boot on my 94 850 Turbo for longer than I care to admit. Because it wasn't making noise, I was originally planning on cleaning, regreasing and rebooting the axle, but as I investigated replacement parts there seemed to be confounding information on the CV axles.

Looking at interchange or aftermarket information didn't really help, because it seemed like within reason, i.e. any car with a 4spd auto, everything physically interchanged. But, I found different part numbers for outer boots based on turbo/non turbo, but no easy way of identifying what I had, or what I needed.

While the aftermarket support is pretty good for these cars, as can be seen from the no-core prices for complete CV axles, I wanted to stick with OEM if possible for quality reasons. The boots in particular seem to be a problem in that often the aftermarket stuff doesn't last. This meant I needed to find out what was really out there, and compare parts to find out what I could use. It turned into a bigger project than I expected as I tried to determine what these cars were originally supplied with.

So with this in mind, I dug around a bit, and scored some used and new CV parts, and here is what I found, or (disclaimer warning!) at least is my best guess.

Note this only applies to the FWD 4 spd auto for the 850, and probably the S70/V70/C70 with production dates as late as 12/98. I have no idea what is going on with the manual transmissions and AWD stuff other than the fact that they are different!

1) All CV axles have 26 splines at the hub. This is why they seemingly all interchange.

Here is an image of the axle I removed from my 1994 Turbo (which had been replaced about 7 years ago) next to a 1998 C70 axle which I reworked. I am pretty sure the C70 axle is OEM because it still had small bits of the Volvo sticker on it plus the inner boot was clearly marked Lobro. The compressed length was essentially the same, and it fit in the car with no problem.

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2) There are two different types of outer CV joints. I will refer to them as naturally aspirated (NA) and Turbo for simplicity. It appears that the OEM turbos were supplied with the larger ones, but because the axles are interchangeable as assemblies you might have either.

These are your two options. There is clearly a difference in size between the NA (left) and Turbo (right).

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These cannot be interchanged on a given axle because the inner spline size is different. Even though they all have 26 splines at the hub, the NA CV joint has 25 splines inside while the turbo has 28 splines. This means the actual axle shafts are different from NA to turbo.

Other easy to measure differences:
  • The OD of the turbo unit is about 98mm while the NA is 90mm.
  • The CV balls in the turbo are 19 mm compared to 18 mm for the NA.
I do not know how strong either axle is, but it appears that at least you get something bigger with the OEM turbo axles.

Note that these both have a 48 tooth wheel for the ABS.

3) GKN (aka Lobro) is a good source for parts.

If you remember from the beginning of the post, this all started with boots. I found GKN outer boots with little trouble for both the turbo and NA CV joints. They are different, and this is where I think things can get confused because of the axle assembly interchangeability. For reference, these are the part numbers which I found from GKN:
  • OEM NA (small CV joint) outer boot kit GKN 300427
  • OEM Turbo (large CV joint) outer boot kit GKN 300439
The Turbo boot kit (300439) I bought included 2 80g tubes of grease.

The inner boot was a different story. I couldn't find a good GKN part number anywhere, which I found strange because (as I said earlier) I had a 1998 vintage inner boot on a Volvo axle that said Lobro.

So I started looking into interchange data in the aftermarket to see if there was anything close. It turns out that there is a bunch of overlap between a number of Audi's and Volvo as far as boots from some of the aftermarket suppliers like Raybestos. So I poked around and found A GKN part that appeared to be essentially the same inner boot, or at least close enough so that it would probably work.

Here's my slightly stretched out 16 year old original next to the new GKN part.

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This particular boot contained in this boot kit (GKN 300597) is OEM on a bunch of Audi's. I used a 1994 Audi 100 S Sedan as the point of reference. This kit comes with an extra clip plus 6 bolts that you don't need, but includes the correct size clamps and two 80g tubes (for 160g total) of grease.

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Here's the axle with the Audi spec inner GKN boot and a Volvo spec outer GKN boot. It was a little tight at the inner joint , but the inside geometry looked the same as the original so I am pretty sure it will hold up fine. Both of the boots kits were made in Italy.

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4) The grease capacity of the joints is as follows:
  • OEM NA outer joint 80g
  • OEM Turbo outer joint 120g
  • Inner joint, NA or Turbo, 190g
This means if you buy the two kits from GKN you end up with 4 80g tubes, or 320 g total. You need 310g total for the turbo axles, or 270g for the NA, so the turbo kits combined provide what you need.

I had some trouble finding info on the inner joint grease capacity, but I actually came up with that number (190g) in two places, so I am pretty sure it is accurate. And yes, regreasing the joints is a very nasty job so I am trying to make sure I don't need to redo it too often.

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Post by matthew1 »

Damn good information, NL. Going in the Repair Database, this.
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Post by abscate »

Food for thought. If the splines are different could one adapt an axle to a different car by changing the wheel hub with the axle? As these things get in shorter supply, we will have to start thinking about stuff like this
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Post by cn90 »

Nice find on the Audi boot.

I just want to confirm that Audi GKN 300597 fits Volvo Turbo INNER boot?

FYI, typical CV boot has 3 dimensions, as long as they fulfill the same criteria, they are interchangeable:
- Length
- Small end diameter (where t goes to the shaft)
- Large end (where it goes to the CV Joint)
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Post by northernlights »

I made my guess on the boot based on comparing the GKN information with an aftermarket supplier.

For that part number boot (in the GKN 300597 kit) they list dimensions of 88 mm length, 21 mm small end ID, and 82 mm large end ID. This boot is specifically for a number of Audi applications, and seems to be included in a number of kits. I used the 1994 Audi 100 application because it was the least costly and included the clamps and grease.

An aftermarket supplier with a more universal equivalent (the Kotek BT-231, for some models of Audi 90, 100, A4, A6, SAAB 9-3 & 9-5, Volvo 850, S/V/C70, and a few others) listed dimensions of 89.5 mm length, 21.3 mm small end ID and 78 mm large end ID. That seemed close enough to give it a try.

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Was the Audi boot a good fit for your Volvo Inner side?
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Post by northernlights »

So far, so good....about 200 miles since installation.

Like I said in the original post, it was tight going on, but they are supposed to be tight when they are new. The last thing anyone wants is for them to slip off after install. I believe keeping grease off the rubber where it touches the joint OD and getting a good crimp on a good band is key. Some of the aftermarket bands seem flimsy compared to real Oetiker and similar.

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Post by mecheng »

Northernlights: The part supplier said the GKN number is 300516 for a 1994 Audi 100s.
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Post by cn90 »

GKN catalog is below:

http://www.gknservice.com/fileadmin/use ... LOEBRO.pdf

For Audi, see Page 55.

I am re-posting the photo (ws = wheel side; gs = gear side, according to GKN pdf file):

Note:
- 1994 Audi data: L= 88, Inner = 21, Outer = 82mm.
- Volvo 850 data: L= 84, Inner 22, Outer = 82mm.

Basically the Audi boot is a very god fit!

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Post by mecheng »

CN90:

The HPT and LPT cars use 300439 , for the outer CV boot (I assume that is WS: wheel side)

300439
L:84, I=24, O=92

I don't see anything listed for the GS (inner boot) for HPT and LPT models in AUTOMATIC, only manual.

300427 is a WS boot not GS.

The 300427 and 300597
L:84/88, I=21/22, O=82

Are you suggesting to use 300596 for the inner or 300439 for both. The outer diameter (O) is quite different, 10mm is a lot.

If I new what the factory inner was, we can match it but I'm not sure how you see that from this data.
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