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So my car blew a coolant hose when I drove into my driveway the day before my Thanksgiving trip! If it's gonna blow, this is the perfect place. I took another car and spent the holidays wondering about replacing the hoses. After tons of reading on this forum, I still can't find a post that has pictures of all the hoses to replace. I read a most excellent post that listed the 6 hoses with part numbers. Link to excellent Hose Replacement Thread

However, I still couldn't find PICTURES of how to get at all the tricky hoses. There a few obvious one like the upper radiator hose to the thermostat, but what about the engine side of the heater hoses? Where does the lower radiator hose connect to the block? So this is my contribution since I was lucky enough to receive good karma. There are lots of pictures so wait for it to load.

The first tip is to open your hood way up almost to 90 degrees. This really helps with access and also light to the part of the engine we are after.
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I didn't know my car could do this. If you flip down the tabs at the hood hinge, you can lift your hood up to the 90 degree position in the previous picture. Cool huh?
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You'll want to remove your air cleaner box and also the duct pointing to the front part of the car. The air cleaner is set in with some tabs into a rubber retainer. Just pull up and to the passenger side to get it out. There were a few connections that need to be removed as well. Finally, tie the accordion air duct out of the way so that you'll have a clear view. They are already out in this picture. I just highlighted where these parts used to be. It really opens up the area.
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Standing on the driver side, you can look are clearly see the large hose (lower radiator hose) where it connects to the neck into the engine block. You can also see where the heater hoses go into the firewall. The Lower radiator hose is not too hard to access at this point. Loosen the clamp (above the yellow arrow in the picture) and pull it off. The other end is on the bottom of the radiator on the driver side. You'll have to remove the lower engine cover plastic to get access to that.
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After you remove the lower radiator hose, you'll reveal where the upper heater hose connects to the block. Note that the clamp for the heater hose is tricky to loosen because the clamp screw is well hidden.
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Here's a closer shot of the Upper Heater Hose. You can clearly see the clamp and also the bulge in the hose. Ultimately, the hole was on the underside of this hose near the clamp. It was impossible to see with the hose installed.
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So to get the clamp off, I used a 7mm socket to loosen it. There is NO slot on this screw so a screwdriver will not work if you have the same clamp. I tried the trick some described using a long screwdriver to rotate the clamp, but that didn't work at all for me. I was able to slowly loosen in tiny rotations.
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After pulling off the hose, you can see the hose nipple attached to the engine block. In this picture, you can also get an idea of the bulge in the hose. It felt like a rubber band in the bulge area.
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Here's picture of the clamp that was on the hose. I hadn't seen one like this anywhere else. I wonder what is special about it?
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After disconnecting the heater hose at the firewall, I pulled it out of the car. There's a video about how to remove the connection at the firewall on YouTube, but in reality it's pretty simple. Squeeze the yellow tabs and pull it put. Be sure and get the o-rings and plastic separators that are probably sill in the connector in the firewall. Replace these o-rings.
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Now with the hose off the car, I checked around the clamp area and finally spotted the culprit of the leak! Here's the small split in my hose. It was in the very soft bulge area. I can imagine that under pressure the hose balloons up and the hole is much bigger.
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However, my journey didn't end there. I wanted to locate the other 2 mysterious hoses. Where does the Lower Heater Hose connect and also the Turbo Coolant hose? Well, with so much stuff removed, they are still buried in there and tough to see! I stuck my phone camera down past the large coolant neck (this was the lower Radiator hose we removed at the beginning) and snapped a picture. I finally spotted them! In the picture below, the blurry top portion is the neck where the large Lower Radiator hose connects. Below this are the 2 hoses we are after.
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As you can see, it's a tight squeeze but I think I can get the socket into there and loosen them up. At this point, it was raining again and I decided to call it a day. Besides, my replacement hoses had not arrived yet so there was nothing to put back.

In summary, I hope that this post provides some clarity for those who are wondering about replacing all their hoses. Here's a quick description of where they all are. Along with the pictures I posted, you should understand where they are now. (Along with their cost $-$$$)

1. Upper Radiator hose - passenger side from top of radiator to the thermostat neck. Easy to see. $
2. Lower Radiator hose - Driver side at bottom of radiator to engine (see my pictures). $$
3. Turbo Return hose - back side of engine on passenger side. It's only about 3 inches long. $
4. Turbo feed coolant hose - See my last picture in this post. It's down in there. $
5. Upper Heater Hose - firewall into nipple at engine block (See last pic in this post) $$$
6. Lower Heater Hose - firewall into metal coolant line (See last pic in this post) $$

So there you have it. All the hoses to replace in your car. I got my hoses from a combination of IPDUSA and PartsGeek. My car made it 228K miles before it blew the hose. I'll change out all the hoses this weekend and then hope it'll last a few hundred thousand more miles. I hope this post was helpful. It's what I wish I had found before jumping into all of this. Good luck!
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Post by jreed »

Great photos! Well written! Thanks for taking the initiative to show the heater hose connection, the unusual clamp and the pinhole... great stuff!
I've never seen a hose clamp like that either... maybe it's designed to resist loosening up during the extreme temperature cycles that joint will see in use?
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Mine is the same age but fewer miles (1998 S70 with 165K miles).
I have replaced all other hoses (Rad hoses x2, coolant reservoir hoses x2, hose behind engine, turbo coolant hoses x2).

The heater hoses are still stock, I will keep an eye on the heater hoses for now.
Maybe next summer, I will replace the heater hoses to have the peace of mind. Planning to use eriv11's approach with generic heater hoses and cut the metal pipes near heater core.
My heater core is still stock, maybe I can do the ebay heater core at the same time.
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Post by abscate »

Check the threads on the ebay heater core - recent activity has been that the heater output on the ebay core isn't as good as the OEM one. And do remember to wash the eBay one in the dishwasher if you go that route. In NE, I suspect you want a good core in winter. Hopefully, the facts can be Behred soon.
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Post by mecheng »

Nice pics. Make sure you put a wire brush to the aluminum connection points; they look pretty corroded. Somone (you or P.O.) extended a coolant change for too long.

Considering your milage and the fact you live in a hot climate; and I assume they are original; those hoses did quite well. My turbo hoses were already showing signs of serious bulging at 130k miles.
My rad, and heater hoses look fine and are still original.

What kind of hoses did you buy?
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I think no matter what car we own, rubber hoses only last that long.
My personal view is that: once the car reaches 12y-15y/120K-130K, it is better to replace all cooling system and all heater hoses, because at that age/mileage, they simply live on borrowed time....pretty much like a 90-year-old man...

The nice thing about doing this on a preventive basis is:
- You do it at your leisure and not 1000 miles away from home, very often w/o tools/toys.
- You can drive your car for long trips w/o too much worries.
- It is an opportunity to flush cooling system.
- And the best part is: these heater hoses are simply inexpensive.
- You prevent a potential overheat and head gasket failure.
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Ah, the fun never stops. So my replacement hoses arrived today. I was careful to order OEM hoses after reading about all the nightmare with the URO brand. I paid $62 for the upper hose and $33 for the lower hose from PartsGeek. These were good prices, but these hoses wouldn't be what I call cheap! I tried IPDUSA but they didn't have the OEM hoses in stock. I bought all the other hoses (radiator top and bottom and well as the turbo cooler hoses) from IPDUSA.

So the hose arrived today, but all is not well.
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These hoses are very different. Did Volvo change the design since the original manufacturing? If you look at these two pictures, you'll see that although they appear to be the same length, that's about the only similarity.
  • - The older hose had a 90 degree bend in the metal coming out of the firewall. The new one is straight.
    - The older hose has a black rubber heat shield glued onto it about midway down the hose. I'm guessing this protects from the heat of the turbo.
    - The older hose has many more bends and is longer if you straightened it out.
I won't get to try to install this until the weekend. I wonder if there's another way to route the hose? I'd go outside and check except, raining like crazy outside and the car is parked in the driveway on jackstands awaiting repair. The garage was occupied.

Does anyone know if there was a change in the hose design?
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Oh man, after doing some sleuthing it is apparent that they sent me the hoses for the non-turbo version. This ain't going to work... time to order again and return the others.

Full disclosure - At Partsgeek.com when I typed in my year and model of the car and searched for "Heater Hoses" it only offered up one choice for the inlet and outlet hoses. Since they were both OEM, I just went for it. I had no idea that it wasn't for a turbo model.

Also, FCP Euro prices on the OEM hoses are kinda crazy. The inlet hose is $81 and the outlet is $61.
At IPDUSA it's $77 and $58.

I called my local auto parts store (Winchester Auto) and they sold me the exact hoses for $45.95 and $43.95.

What's up with all the crazy pricing? How can the same part be all over the map on pricing? A little variation is expected, but this? Anyway, you've been warned.
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songzunhuang wrote: I paid $62 for the upper hose and $33 for the lower hose from PartsGeek.

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For 98 Turbo, I think the hoses are:
9186849 ---> $60 at Volvo dealer
9186847 ---> $50 at Volvo dealer

If I were you, I simply use generic heater hose (see erikv11's photos in forum).
What you can do is re-use the metal elbow from the old hose. Get and angle grinder or dremel tool and cut the crimp off, remove old hose.
Now you have the metal fitting, then slide new hose/clamp in. Generic heater hose is dirt cheap, about $1/foot at local parts store.
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