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Heater Core Firewall Junction/Coupler bypass - DIY write-up

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Volvo Repair Database Heater Core Firewall Junction/Coupler bypass - DIY write-up

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In this write-up (based on ycartf's tutorial over at volvoforums) I will show how I bypassed the heater core firewall-coupler with regular heater hose. This is also cheaper than buying a new coupler with o-rings.
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I decided to crosspost this from my original topic at Volvospeed, so that those who are looking will more easily find this tutorial.

I figured since this coupling is such a PITA overengineered piece of crap, and I couldn't find much detailed information about the coupler and methods of bypassing it, I thought I'd share my findings with the community in some more detail. I'm talking of course about this bugger:
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As these things get old, the plastic turns brittle. As long as you don't touch it, it will probably hold up fine. While swapping my engine, the connectors HAD to come out, and in doing so you will usually ruin it. In my case the plastic was brittle and probably cracked internally when disconnecting the hoses. Upon reinstalling my new engine, I could take a shower under my car when I filled it with water for the first time. I even ordered the O-ring set thinking this was the problem, but this was money wasted.

Materials I used

- 1m of 15mm inner diameter heater hose (2m if you want to connect the hose directly to the block)
- Some vacuum hose to fill the gaps
- 4 hose clamps, wormwheel type
- Hacksaw for tight spaces or angle grinder
- Torx bits (T15 i think) and small ratchet
- Your standard toolbox

Procedure

1. You will need access to your heater-core, and also the coupler will need to be removed from the interior side. Pull back the floor carpet and remove the large black plastic guard fitted against the middle console. You'll find a small torx screw holding it in place behind the carpet at the height of the gear-shift-lever. For easier access to the coupler in the firewall I recommend removing the gas pedal by sliding the pivoting pin about 3mm to the left. It should pop right out.
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2. After all the coolant has been removed (I recommend blowing through the heater-core from the engine-side so your interior doesn't turn into a pool), the metal hoses will need to be cut. I cut them close to the bottom, while leaving enough length for the heater hose to slide over (I would aim for 2cm). If you have an angle cutter or anything like that, you could use that. I did handwork using a tool similar to this one:
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3. With the hoses cut, you can now remove the two torx screws holding the coupler in place on the engine side. Screws removed, use a flathead screwdriver and wiggle the metal plate off. Now with some twisting and turning, you should be able to remove the coupler as a whole from the cabin side along with the pieces of metal hose still attached.
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4. The coupler needs to be gutted for the new hose to pass through. Unclip the metal hoses and remove them. You should now be able to pull the plastic connectors straight out - they are not glued. Twist and turn them as you pull. Mine broke off because it was cracked to begin with. You will be left with this:
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The coupling itself removed looks like this:
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And finally, the reason why these things often fail. A whopping 8 possible points of failure on the cabin-side alone:
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5. On to fitting your hose. First determine if you want to run the bypass all the way to the engine block, or if you're going to use the original lines that clipped into the firewall. I used the original lines, as due to tight spacing I could not twist and turn the firm hose in a comfortable position towards the engine without it kinking. If you route straight to the block, make sure they have enough slack to not kink. I routed them to the original fittings. If you do so, you should remove the clips that are stuck to the metal ends of the hoses.

Measure the correct length for your hose, and fit them through the coupler. You may want to cut the coupler's ends off a bit for extra clearance later on (see the red lines). There is no need to have the plastic stick out past the metal cover plate on the engine side.
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6. The hose will probably not seal perfectly inside the coupler. You do want a proper seal to reduce noise and fumes from the engine bay entering the cabin. I used a piece of silicone vacuum hose cut to the right length, cut open, and wrapped around the hose. Any hose of the right thickness will work for this. I wrapped it around the hose and twisted the hose through the coupler while applying pressure to the seal.
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With both hoses through at the correct position and both seals applied, it looks something like this:
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7. Time to install. Wiggle the coupler with hoses attached back into its original hole. You might need to bend the plastic quite a bit for it to snap back behind the white plastic airduct. Once it's in place, slide the heater hose over the metal hoses (make sure to sandpaper the sharp edges and clean any metal filings out of the pipes as well as you can). Slide the hoses over as far as you can, and tighten them firmly with the wormwheel clamps.
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8. At the firewall side, first install the metal plate and tighten the torx screws. Then slide the original metal couplings into the hoses. They may be very tight, but tight is good. I used spit as a lubricant to get them in as far as I could. I wouldn't recommend soapy water, as you don't want them to pop right back off when the system gets pressurized. Again, tight is what you want. Install the wormwheel clamps and tighten firmly.
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Done! Top up your coolant, and warm up your engine. Check for leaks and you're good to go, never having to worry about the coupler again.
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Post by Ozark Lee »

Well done!

Has anyone had any luck running heater hose all the way from the block and coolant pipe to the core? I had to replace a heater hose in the XC last week and they are quite painful to the wallet. I though about just cutting the press fitted band at the copper elbow and hose clamping on a new piece of inexpensive heater hose to the elbow and to the nipple on the block but the molded bends are fairly tight and I feared that the hose might kink after it got hot.

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Post by cn90 »

Ozark Lee,

I believe "erikv11" did that: heater hoses from heater core ---> gutted coupler ---> straight to engine block.

@Boxman,

Great DIY, I like it. However, the "better" approach is to dremel out the elbow and replace the heater hoses portion where it leaves the firewall ---> engine. This job you did is great but only half done. The heater hoses between the coupler and the engine can burst at this age. There is a DIY in forum recently.

On the issue of sealing, I'd use the same stuff electricians/plumbers use to seal duct work as it enters the house. It is called "Duct Seal", a few $ at hardware store:
http://www.homedepot.com/p/Gardner-Bend ... /100212441
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Post by mika »

Just a side note:

I had problems getting firewall coupler back into its designated spot in the firewall: So, I ran the hoses without the firewall coupler and fumes were getting into the cabin. Had to re-do the job fairly quick.
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Post by Boxman »

I have heard of people running the hose directly from block to heater core without a junction at the firewall - though in my case, the spaces are rather tight due to an oversized air-intake duct. So for now I decided to keep the original - the heater hose I bought would kink if I tried to bend it the way the OEM hoses do.

It's certainly on the list for later when I figure out a way to properly route or bend new heater hose to the engine.

Didn't know there's stuff on the market specifically for sealing ducts - thanks for pointing that out! I had to make due with whatever was laying around in my garage though, as I did the job late at night :D

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Post by erikv11 »

@Lee: Yes, I ran hoses straight from the block and coolant pipe through the gutted coupler, to the heater core. But it was on a non-turbo; to avoid hose kinking I cut the hoses long enough to make small loops in the engine bay. I don't know if there is room for that in the turbo engine bay.

Here is a photo from https://www.matthewsvolvosite.com/forums ... =1&t=44948 where I discussed it briefly, gives you an idea how much hose I used, this is right before install:
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The heavy duty green stripe hose (5/8) fits very snugly in the gutted coupler.
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Post by j-dawg »

Remember to clean off the edge after you cut the hard lines from the heater core. I cut using a hacksaw, used a Dremel to remove burrs and round off the edge, and washed thoroughly to clean out chips.
erikv11 wrote:@Lee: Yes, I ran hoses straight from the block and coolant pipe through the gutted coupler, to the heater core. But it was on a non-turbo; to avoid hose kinking I cut the hoses long enough to make small loops in the engine bay. I don't know if there is room for that in the turbo engine bay.
My car is besnailed. I found that, with the stiff hose I was using, elbows were necessary to clear the turbo equipment, or the hose would kink. Reusing the copper fittings is a smart way to do it. I used two 5/8" barbed hose elbows rather than reusing the copper fittings, but I doubt it's a big deal either way. The elbows are pretty, which was a major factor in my decision to use them.

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It's pretty tight in there.

I didn't seal around the hoses within the gutted coupler and I have no issues with noise or fumes.
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Post by erikv11 »

Looks like a winning setup, may try that if I need to do it on one of my turbo cars.
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Post by mika »

+2 win: with a turbo: less room for bending heater hoses (especially if you measure too much), and more at risk for the hot heater hoses to rub against something.

I thought I had it all figured out (just with heater hose and no 90* elbows), until we found an even better way to do this job.

Looks great too.
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Post by songzunhuang »

I went through that ordeal in December of last year (2014). I reused the factory metal fittings on the old heater hose and replaced the hose with nice blue silicon lines. They were plenty bendable and it's been working wonderfully. Here a link to the thread in the forum. https://www.matthewsvolvosite.com/forums ... 7&start=42

Page 4 of the thread is where the silicon hose replacement part starts. I hope that link takes you to the right page. I went through a freaking ordeal trying to get factory hoses before I decided to go with the silicon hoses. Given the length and participation on the thread, it looks like lots of folks have similar issues.
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