850 won't start unless gas pedal is pressed while cranking

dubsetter · Post by **dubsetter** » 22 Jun 2016, 07:17

Recently I have replaced both my fuel relay and fuel pump on my 5-speed 850 glt (non turbo). At first the relay died. I tested the fuel pump by using a jump wire. 2 weeks later the fuel pump went. I ordered a new bosch pump assembly and installed it. I ordered bosch part #69745. The only difference I noticed from the original pump was an extra wire coming from the connector (pic attached). I installed it and it has worked fine for the past week.

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Yesterday and today my car would not start unless the gas pedal is pressed while cranking. Any ideas, and does anyone know what that extra connection is for?

Post by **tryingbe** » 22 Jun 2016, 13:45

The extra wire is an extra ground, not really needed.

When you press the gas pedal while starting, it activates clear flood mode, which means the fuel injectors are turned off during cranking. My guess is you most likely have some leaking injectors causing flood condition.

https://www.google.com/search?q=clear+f ... 8&oe=utf-8

dubsetter · Post by **dubsetter** » 24 Jun 2016, 06:25

Thanks for the reply.
Update:
The car started fine yesterday without the gas pedal being pressed. This morning the car wouldn't start at all. I have a brand new fuel pump relay and a brand new fuel pump installed. Car cranks and will not start now. As mentioned, may be an injector problem. What else should I check...fuel injector relay, crank sensor? Is there anything I can try to get it started once, so I could drive it to my mechanic?

Post by **erikv11** » 24 Jun 2016, 08:34

If the leaking injectors was correct, then the car may have "lawn mower syndrome," that's about the only thing I can think of that fits with leaky injectors. Does it sound like it is spinning too fast when you turn the key, like it is too easy for the starter to do its job?

Are you sure the fuel pump is humming for a few seconds each time you turn on the key?

Post by **tryingbe** » 24 Jun 2016, 10:18

dubsetter wrote:Car cranks and will not start now.

Assuming your new fuel pump and relay works, take all 5 plugs out, put a tea spoon full of oil into each cylinder, crank the engine without the plugs being in there to clear the extra oil, install the plugs and wires, then try to start again.

angelglo · Post by **angelglo** » 24 Jun 2016, 10:31

mine did the same thing where I had to press the gas pedal and it also didn't run too well. I replaced that MAF and it went back to normal

Post by **erikv11** » 24 Jun 2016, 12:19

tryingbe wrote:
dubsetter wrote:Car cranks and will not start now.
Assuming your new fuel pump and relay works, take all 5 plugs out, put a tea spoon full of oil into each cylinder, crank the engine without the plugs being in there to clear the extra oil, install the plugs and wires, then try to start again.

OP, to help you navigate: here tryingbe is suggesting the standard fix for the "lawn mower syndrome" trouble that I posted about.

The MAF idea is a good one, just unplug the MAF and see if it starts better. You can drive it around a little bit with no MAF, the engine will just run rich (don't do it for an extended time).

dubsetter · Post by **dubsetter** » 24 Jun 2016, 16:58

Thanks for all the replies.
The car seems to crank normal and I can hear the fuel pump. I just got home and started messing with things under the hood.
Tried starting, no luck. The first thing I did was disconnect and and reconnect the fuel injection relay (near the cooling fan relay) and try to start the car and it fired right up. My next move was going to start with the maf sensor disconnected as suggested. I still plan on cleaning it as a maintenance procedure.
It is good to know about the lawn mower syndrome, I will keep that in mind if my car keeps up with the same symptoms. I will continue to investigate and try the recovery procedure for this if my car doesn't start tomorrow. Thanks again

Post by **MadeInJapan** » 24 Jun 2016, 22:21

We had a no-start "sometimes" in my son's 850 some time ago and it ended up being the TPS (Throttle position sensor) bolted on to outside of the rear cam seal. It had a wire with a short. The other issue is that the wires going to it has to be separated from the ignition wires...sometimes if they are really close or touching you can get a no-start condition. Might be worth a look and a zip tie. The other issue that comes to mind is the connector to the MAF- it needs to be separated from the close-by box that is full of relays. Many people zip tie this connector cable to itself...sort of pinching it into itself if you can get an image of that.

Post by **erikv11** » 25 Jun 2016, 08:25

MIJ, that's the CPS (Cam Position Sensor) that is on the back of the exhaust cam, and commonly causes no-start.