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'99 V70 FWD, Auto, Base, 235K miles -- Toasted PNP? Topic is solved

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Could it be a bad starter relay? I probably have a handful of junkyard relays floating around. Who knows, one could even be a starter relay.

Is the starter on a dedicated relay, or would I be losing other stuff as well if the starter relay were bad?
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E Showell wrote: 28 Mar 2020, 16:07 (1) Could it be a bad starter relay?
(2) Is the starter on a dedicated relay,
(3) or would I be losing other stuff as well if the starter relay were bad?
Yes, Yes and No.
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Thanks Rick. Replaced "J" relay with one I had in inventory so either I have 2 bad starter relays, or the ignition switch electrics are bad.

Depending on the chassis break number, I have an extra ignition switch, electrical side, in inventory as well.
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'99 S70 NA FWD Auto, black (sold and resurrected -- Don't cry for me Argentina . . . )
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E Showell wrote: 28 Mar 2020, 17:38 Thanks Rick. Replaced "J" relay with one I had in inventory so either I have 2 bad starter relays, or the ignition switch electrics are bad.
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1. Could be wiring and/or connectors between ignition switch and starter relay.
2. Could be wiring and/or connectors between fuse 11A/3 and starter relay or fuse 11A/3.
3. Could be column lock on the fritz, not letting the key go all the way to POS III.

The Yellow-White wire at the ignition switch and starter relay should switch on and off with key POS III. If it does not at the ignition switch the problem is on the steering column.
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That’s terminal 2 on that J relay. It should go to 12 V relative to an engine ground when key goes to pos III
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Success. Problem was perished ignition switch electrics. Thanks Steve.
'98 V70 NA FWD 5 spd, silver sand metallic (sold)
'99 V70 NA FWD Auto, dark blue (sold)
'99 S70 NA FWD Auto, black (sold and resurrected -- Don't cry for me Argentina . . . )
'07 S80 3.2 FWD Auto, Barents Blue Metallic
'06 V70 R AWD Auto, Sonic Blue Metallic (sold)
'04 XC70 Ruby Red Metallic (sold)
'95 855 auto (sold)
'86 245 manual (sold)
'05 V70 T5 M (totalled)
'06 V70 FWD Auto (totalled)
'02 Honda Insight CVT
‘04 Honda Insight CVT — “Yesterday’s car of tomorrow” (sold)
‘06 Honda Insight CVT

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