96 960: IT HAPPENED! Topic is solved
- CIK7
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Headed out to parents house to collect $30 for a wash/wax job and BOOM! I mean GRIND and CLUNK. I am pretty sure the transmission went out. Not the car's fault though. I had read recently about burnt valves and the deposits that build up if the engine is not regularly driven at highway speeds (2500-3000rpm). Well that's me, I don't drive a bunch. Just in town to grocery store a mile away or parents house. I mean I did go to Tulsa recently. Lately, every other town run, I use Low and 3rd before going into Drive. Last night, shifting Low into 3rd, immediate kerplunk LOL. A mint car and I ruined it. Well it's not over. I'm going to remove the tranny to confirm then perhaps replace or rebuild. While it's down, O2 sensors and oil pan gaskets are due for replacement too. I meant to retire the 960 for the summer to minimize risk of blown head gasket in 90°F+ weather but not this way LOL. I didn't sleep much last night so I'm feeling drowsy and goofy.

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98 V GLE/SE red, 379k, 5sp, trailer in progress...
95 854 Turbo 258K, auto, sold
09 Rav4 Ltd3.5Fwd, red, 208k/213k, sold
05 CRV EX AWD, Navy, 170K/184k, sold
03 Accord 2dr V6 silver, 196K/232K, 6sp, t-boned, sold
98 S GT white, 175K, 5sp, sold
96 964 silver, 146K, diff&trans/engine self-destr, crushed
98 XC black, 151K, flooded&bent rod, crushed
01 V Base white, 168k, traded for XC
09 Impala LT1 gray, 196K, sold for 01
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Why do you say that
06 Odyssey LX, silver, 127921, current
98 V GLE/SE red, 379k, 5sp, trailer in progress...
95 854 Turbo 258K, auto, sold
09 Rav4 Ltd3.5Fwd, red, 208k/213k, sold
05 CRV EX AWD, Navy, 170K/184k, sold
03 Accord 2dr V6 silver, 196K/232K, 6sp, t-boned, sold
98 S GT white, 175K, 5sp, sold
96 964 silver, 146K, diff&trans/engine self-destr, crushed
98 XC black, 151K, flooded&bent rod, crushed
01 V Base white, 168k, traded for XC
09 Impala LT1 gray, 196K, sold for 01
98 V GLE/SE red, 379k, 5sp, trailer in progress...
95 854 Turbo 258K, auto, sold
09 Rav4 Ltd3.5Fwd, red, 208k/213k, sold
05 CRV EX AWD, Navy, 170K/184k, sold
03 Accord 2dr V6 silver, 196K/232K, 6sp, t-boned, sold
98 S GT white, 175K, 5sp, sold
96 964 silver, 146K, diff&trans/engine self-destr, crushed
98 XC black, 151K, flooded&bent rod, crushed
01 V Base white, 168k, traded for XC
09 Impala LT1 gray, 196K, sold for 01
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I cannot believe it because, I deal with facts not believes.
I know it happen because CIK7 reported it. The next question is: What happen?
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2017 Ford PIU. 3.5l, Twin Turbo, 365 Hp.
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I feel goofy for asking him that question.RickHaleParker wrote: 20 Mar 2021, 02:55I cannot believe it because, I deal with facts not believes.
I know it happen because CIK7 reported it. The next question is: What happen?
So I think I busted it by gassing it a good bit while the driveshaft was grinding. Normally I'm tender on the gas starting out. Today I thought about it and I came to the conclusion that the grinding of the driveshaft vibration was tough on the transmission, working against the transmission. Therefore I think the task of shifting from Low to Third (at 2500-2600rpm) right after the heavy grinding stressed it out too much. Excuses LOL
06 Odyssey LX, silver, 127921, current
98 V GLE/SE red, 379k, 5sp, trailer in progress...
95 854 Turbo 258K, auto, sold
09 Rav4 Ltd3.5Fwd, red, 208k/213k, sold
05 CRV EX AWD, Navy, 170K/184k, sold
03 Accord 2dr V6 silver, 196K/232K, 6sp, t-boned, sold
98 S GT white, 175K, 5sp, sold
96 964 silver, 146K, diff&trans/engine self-destr, crushed
98 XC black, 151K, flooded&bent rod, crushed
01 V Base white, 168k, traded for XC
09 Impala LT1 gray, 196K, sold for 01
98 V GLE/SE red, 379k, 5sp, trailer in progress...
95 854 Turbo 258K, auto, sold
09 Rav4 Ltd3.5Fwd, red, 208k/213k, sold
05 CRV EX AWD, Navy, 170K/184k, sold
03 Accord 2dr V6 silver, 196K/232K, 6sp, t-boned, sold
98 S GT white, 175K, 5sp, sold
96 964 silver, 146K, diff&trans/engine self-destr, crushed
98 XC black, 151K, flooded&bent rod, crushed
01 V Base white, 168k, traded for XC
09 Impala LT1 gray, 196K, sold for 01
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You sure the driveshaft has not gone AWOL or the differential shelled out ... did you look?CIK7 wrote: 20 Mar 2021, 09:43 I came to the conclusion that the grinding of the driveshaft vibration was tough on the transmission, working against the transmission.
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2004 S60R, B8444S TF80 AWD. Yamaha V8 conversion ( I moved, the project did not )
2005 XC90 T6 Executive, B6294T, 4T65 AWD, Bosch Motronic 7.0. ( Transmission dead after sitting for a winter )
1998 C70, B5234T3, 16T, AW50-42, Bosch Motronic 4.4, Special Edition package.
2017 Ford PIU. 3.5l, Twin Turbo, 365 Hp.
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2003 S40, B4204T3, 14T twin scroll AW55-50/51SN, Siemens EMS 2000. ( Killed by a plastic radiator. )
2004 S60R, B8444S TF80 AWD. Yamaha V8 conversion ( I moved, the project did not )
2005 XC90 T6 Executive, B6294T, 4T65 AWD, Bosch Motronic 7.0. ( Transmission dead after sitting for a winter )
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What do you mean AWOL and 'differential shelled out'?RickHaleParker wrote: 20 Mar 2021, 10:26You sure the driveshaft has not gone AWOL or the differential shelled out ... did you look?CIK7 wrote: 20 Mar 2021, 09:43 I came to the conclusion that the grinding of the driveshaft vibration was tough on the transmission, working against the transmission.
06 Odyssey LX, silver, 127921, current
98 V GLE/SE red, 379k, 5sp, trailer in progress...
95 854 Turbo 258K, auto, sold
09 Rav4 Ltd3.5Fwd, red, 208k/213k, sold
05 CRV EX AWD, Navy, 170K/184k, sold
03 Accord 2dr V6 silver, 196K/232K, 6sp, t-boned, sold
98 S GT white, 175K, 5sp, sold
96 964 silver, 146K, diff&trans/engine self-destr, crushed
98 XC black, 151K, flooded&bent rod, crushed
01 V Base white, 168k, traded for XC
09 Impala LT1 gray, 196K, sold for 01
98 V GLE/SE red, 379k, 5sp, trailer in progress...
95 854 Turbo 258K, auto, sold
09 Rav4 Ltd3.5Fwd, red, 208k/213k, sold
05 CRV EX AWD, Navy, 170K/184k, sold
03 Accord 2dr V6 silver, 196K/232K, 6sp, t-boned, sold
98 S GT white, 175K, 5sp, sold
96 964 silver, 146K, diff&trans/engine self-destr, crushed
98 XC black, 151K, flooded&bent rod, crushed
01 V Base white, 168k, traded for XC
09 Impala LT1 gray, 196K, sold for 01
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Absent Without Official Leave ( AWOL ). Would not be the first time a driveshaft went missing.
Differential shelled out ... gears in the rear end stripped out. Acts like a empty shell. You go for it and nothing happens.
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2003 S40, B4204T3, 14T twin scroll AW55-50/51SN, Siemens EMS 2000. ( Killed by a plastic radiator. )
2004 S60R, B8444S TF80 AWD. Yamaha V8 conversion ( I moved, the project did not )
2005 XC90 T6 Executive, B6294T, 4T65 AWD, Bosch Motronic 7.0. ( Transmission dead after sitting for a winter )
1998 C70, B5234T3, 16T, AW50-42, Bosch Motronic 4.4, Special Edition package.
2017 Ford PIU. 3.5l, Twin Turbo, 365 Hp.
............................
Past
2003 S40, B4204T3, 14T twin scroll AW55-50/51SN, Siemens EMS 2000. ( Killed by a plastic radiator. )
2004 S60R, B8444S TF80 AWD. Yamaha V8 conversion ( I moved, the project did not )
2005 XC90 T6 Executive, B6294T, 4T65 AWD, Bosch Motronic 7.0. ( Transmission dead after sitting for a winter )
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Thank you for specifying. Two details I forgot to mention. I heard the breaking happen underneath me. Also the engine will not crank. When I first parked it after the break, i tried the key and it simply turned like the battery was dead (I know it isn't dead). Then when I got back to my house by my dad pulling my car and I, I turned the key and it sounded like something was blocked and had 1-2mm of play. Don't ask me what. I don't know.RickHaleParker wrote: 20 Mar 2021, 11:05Absent Without Official Leave ( AWOL ). Would not be the first time a driveshaft went missing.
Differential shelled out ... gears in the rear end stripped out. Acts like a empty shell. You go for it and nothing happens.
06 Odyssey LX, silver, 127921, current
98 V GLE/SE red, 379k, 5sp, trailer in progress...
95 854 Turbo 258K, auto, sold
09 Rav4 Ltd3.5Fwd, red, 208k/213k, sold
05 CRV EX AWD, Navy, 170K/184k, sold
03 Accord 2dr V6 silver, 196K/232K, 6sp, t-boned, sold
98 S GT white, 175K, 5sp, sold
96 964 silver, 146K, diff&trans/engine self-destr, crushed
98 XC black, 151K, flooded&bent rod, crushed
01 V Base white, 168k, traded for XC
09 Impala LT1 gray, 196K, sold for 01
98 V GLE/SE red, 379k, 5sp, trailer in progress...
95 854 Turbo 258K, auto, sold
09 Rav4 Ltd3.5Fwd, red, 208k/213k, sold
05 CRV EX AWD, Navy, 170K/184k, sold
03 Accord 2dr V6 silver, 196K/232K, 6sp, t-boned, sold
98 S GT white, 175K, 5sp, sold
96 964 silver, 146K, diff&trans/engine self-destr, crushed
98 XC black, 151K, flooded&bent rod, crushed
01 V Base white, 168k, traded for XC
09 Impala LT1 gray, 196K, sold for 01
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Put a 30mm socket on the crankshaft and see if you can turn the engine over. Turn clockwise. Counterclockwise can cause the timing belt to slip. Check the starter, make sure it is not loose.CIK7 wrote: 20 Mar 2021, 11:28 I turned the key and it sounded like something was blocked and had 1-2mm of play. Don't ask me what. I don't know.
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2003 S40, B4204T3, 14T twin scroll AW55-50/51SN, Siemens EMS 2000. ( Killed by a plastic radiator. )
2004 S60R, B8444S TF80 AWD. Yamaha V8 conversion ( I moved, the project did not )
2005 XC90 T6 Executive, B6294T, 4T65 AWD, Bosch Motronic 7.0. ( Transmission dead after sitting for a winter )
1998 C70, B5234T3, 16T, AW50-42, Bosch Motronic 4.4, Special Edition package.
2017 Ford PIU. 3.5l, Twin Turbo, 365 Hp.
............................
Past
2003 S40, B4204T3, 14T twin scroll AW55-50/51SN, Siemens EMS 2000. ( Killed by a plastic radiator. )
2004 S60R, B8444S TF80 AWD. Yamaha V8 conversion ( I moved, the project did not )
2005 XC90 T6 Executive, B6294T, 4T65 AWD, Bosch Motronic 7.0. ( Transmission dead after sitting for a winter )
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