Login Register

Immobilizer question Topic is solved

Help, Advice and DIY Tutorials on Volvo's P80 platform cars -- Volvo's 1990s "bread and butter" cars -- powered by the ubiquitous and durable Volvo inline 5-cylinder engine.

1992 - 1997 850, including 850 R, 850 T-5R, 850 T-5, 850 GLT
1997 - 2000 S70, S70 AWD
1997 - 2000 V70, V70 AWD
1997 - 2000 V70-XC
1997 - 2004 C70

Post Reply
User avatar
subzerocarfanatic
Posts: 368
Joined: 19 October 2019
Year and Model: 2000 Volvo C70 HT
Location: ND
Has thanked: 67 times
Been thanked: 9 times

Re: Immobilizer question

Post by subzerocarfanatic »

wizechatmgr wrote: 15 Dec 2021, 05:53
subzerocarfanatic wrote: 13 Dec 2021, 14:45 So far I have not found any loose chassis ground. Still looking and praying I can figure this gremlin out. It has to be something simple because the car starts and runs fine as long as I pull the Ignition fuse each time before starting, but who wants to do that every time. (
If you leave the key in the ignition and open the door, does your key reminder chime 'chime'?
Yes it does, when I pull the 15 amp fuse that is labeled ignition switch contact system (that I have to remove and reinstall to get the car to start) the door chime stops when the fuse is removed. It seems to me these are tied together to my problem somehow I just have not figured it out yet, I have had this frustrating issue for over a year, having to pull the fuse every single time before I can start and drive the car.
I have a question, should the fuses and relays in the kidney shaped fuse box on shock tower, should they have same voltage as battery even when key is off ?

User avatar
abscate
MVS Moderator
Posts: 35298
Joined: 17 February 2013
Year and Model: 99: V70s S70s,05 V70
Location: Port Jefferson Long Island NY
Has thanked: 1505 times
Been thanked: 3818 times

Post by abscate »

It should be either 0 Volts or within 0.1 V of the battery voltage across the terminals
Empty Nester
A Captain in a Sea of Estrogen
1999-V70-T5M56 2005-V70-M56 1999-S70 VW T4 XC90-in-Red
Link to Maintenance record thread

User avatar
subzerocarfanatic
Posts: 368
Joined: 19 October 2019
Year and Model: 2000 Volvo C70 HT
Location: ND
Has thanked: 67 times
Been thanked: 9 times

Post by subzerocarfanatic »

abscate wrote: 08 Dec 2021, 06:08 This isn’t an antenna ring problem. Pulling that fuse is probably doing an ECU reset which helps the starting sequence.

If cranking is inhibited on a 1999 or 2000 car, your light control module , 2/76 is not grounding your starter relay. It does this under microprocessor control , not a simple thing to diagnose.

If it cranks, starts, stalls…that’s a bad key signal.
abscate, could a software related issue cause the car to only start if the 15 AMP ignition switch contact system fuse is removed then reinstalled as I mentioned? I found with the AUTEL MaxiPro MP808 scanner that it has a few DTC , one being DIM-000D communication, ECM; Internal fault. I looked it up and it mentions something about ECM software. I do not understand why the software would have issues!
You mentioned the ECM earlier, so maybe pulling that ignition fuse each time then re-installing it is resetting a signal to the ECM so it lets it start, I need to figure out what is causing it and why!! Could a software issue cause this, if so what would cause the software to have an issue and if so why would the car run at all even with me resetting it by pulling and reinstalling the fuse?

User avatar
subzerocarfanatic
Posts: 368
Joined: 19 October 2019
Year and Model: 2000 Volvo C70 HT
Location: ND
Has thanked: 67 times
Been thanked: 9 times

Post by subzerocarfanatic »

I checked the fuses in the kidney shaped fuse box, the only one that has battery voltage to it when key is off is the very first 15 AMP fuse, which is the ignition contact system fuse that I have to pull and reinstall each time before turning the key on so the car will start.

User avatar
abscate
MVS Moderator
Posts: 35298
Joined: 17 February 2013
Year and Model: 99: V70s S70s,05 V70
Location: Port Jefferson Long Island NY
Has thanked: 1505 times
Been thanked: 3818 times

Post by abscate »

Cranking is enabled by the 2/76 light control module. If it isn’t cranking without the fuse pull, that’s where I would look. The immobilized will allow cranking but the engine won’t fire.
Empty Nester
A Captain in a Sea of Estrogen
1999-V70-T5M56 2005-V70-M56 1999-S70 VW T4 XC90-in-Red
Link to Maintenance record thread

User avatar
subzerocarfanatic
Posts: 368
Joined: 19 October 2019
Year and Model: 2000 Volvo C70 HT
Location: ND
Has thanked: 67 times
Been thanked: 9 times

Post by subzerocarfanatic »

ImageHere are a few of the DTC I pulled.
Attachments
20211208_113520.jpg
20211207_171421.jpg

User avatar
subzerocarfanatic
Posts: 368
Joined: 19 October 2019
Year and Model: 2000 Volvo C70 HT
Location: ND
Has thanked: 67 times
Been thanked: 9 times

Post by subzerocarfanatic »

More codes
20211207_174305.jpg
20211208_113740.jpg
I know the CAB ones are all convertible top related but thought I would include them.

User avatar
wizechatmgr
Posts: 1798
Joined: 12 January 2017
Year and Model: 1999 V70 XC AWD 2.4T
Location: Albany, NY area
Has thanked: 45 times
Been thanked: 126 times
Contact:

Post by wizechatmgr »

Do you have another key and antenna ring you can try?
Wisdom requires knowledge as a prerequisite, but knowledge can be developed due to a lack of wisdom.
In order to learn how to fix something, you must first learn how to break it.
1999 V70 XC AWD 2.4 T -- ~231k miles
1998 V70 2.4 NA -- ~184k miles

User avatar
subzerocarfanatic
Posts: 368
Joined: 19 October 2019
Year and Model: 2000 Volvo C70 HT
Location: ND
Has thanked: 67 times
Been thanked: 9 times

Post by subzerocarfanatic »

wizechatmgr wrote: 21 Dec 2021, 12:51 Do you have another key and antenna ring you can try?
No, i wanted to make sure that was a problem before buying one, I have it in my cart on volvo swag's website. $51.50.
The images i posted were from the Autel MaxiPro MP808 scanner, I just got finished running my Volvo Vida Dice and here is what it pulled up. I will post images.

User avatar
subzerocarfanatic
Posts: 368
Joined: 19 October 2019
Year and Model: 2000 Volvo C70 HT
Location: ND
Has thanked: 67 times
Been thanked: 9 times

Post by subzerocarfanatic »

VIDA Dice scan results. 2nd image is the ETM test results, i just wanted to confirm that the electronic throttle module was functioning and the 2 potentiometers were in sync within acceptable range and it was, 4.3% difference at most.
Whatever is going on that I have to pull the ignition switch contact system fuse to start car each time also is what is keeping the ETS dash check light that has to come on for the ETM to work, from coming on. The car will not start without the ETM related ETS dash light coming on briefly . So when I pull the fuse and reinsert it it resets the ECM and the ETM somehow and then the ETS light comes on and it starts every time.
The ECM fault code I believe is a software related issue which I do not understand, I have never programmed it it any way, only the used XEMODEX ETM put in 2 years ago was updated I think when it was installed and it started right up. Could that some how have affected the ECM software???
Attachments
20211221_133826 (1).jpg
20211221_141650.jpg
20211221_143211.jpg

Post Reply
  • Similar Topics
    Replies
    Views
    Last post