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Perimeter lights flash every 4 minutes USA 1997 Volvo 850

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lostintime
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Perimeter lights flash every 4 minutes USA 1997 Volvo 850

Post by lostintime »

Greetings one and all. My first post...
This is long, but I have tried to be thorough.
A couple of nights ago, I noticed that the exterior, perimeter lights on my 1997 Volvo 850 were blinking (flashing) periodically. I got in the car and started it (no problems) and drove it around the block, again, with no problems. I locked it and waited and watched it, but it continued to "flash" every 4 minutes or so. I checked all the fluids and the battery cables, and everything appears just fine.
Still, it continued to flash periodically.
I know it is trying to tell me something, but what?
I have been all through the service manual, but have found nothing on point. I discovered this web-site and did several searches looking for an answer, but I have found nothing that seems appropos.
I have since conversed with MIJ who tried his best to help me, but his suggestions have not corrected the problem, if indeed it is something as simple as a resetting of the circuitry; frankly I thought the battery might be failing. MIJ suggested this morning that I submit this to the Forum.

I do not have remote keyless entry, although it is available on this car. I use a physical key and when I lock it, the car locks and the perimeter lights flash on. This appears to be (and sounds like) the same phenomenon that I observe/hear now. I can hear the locks "adjust", for lack of a better word, whenever the "flashing" occurs. No headlights involved, for the sake of clarity. I do not know what occurs on the dashboard when this occurs as it does not appear to occur when I am sitting in the vehicle. To wit:
I went to dinner last night, and when I got home, I locked the car. Unlocked the car. Locked the car. (MIJ's suggestion.) Looked at my watch, it was 9:22 PM. I went inside, poured a glass of wine and sat on the front porch watching the car. At 9:26 PM, the perimeter lights flashed. At 9:30 they flashed again. So, four minute cycles appear to be at play.
Then I got in the car, no key in the ignition, touched nothing except to lock the door. Roughly 13 minutes later, nothing had happened. As though just sitting in the car had rendered the problem away. So I got out, locked it, unlocked it, and locked it again; then began my vigil. 4 minutes later the lights flashed. Then I came in to write you....
Anybody have any thoughts on the potential problem?
The battery was purchased last summer. The cables were tight and free of corrosion. The car has no apparent problems. It starts, stops, drives just fine. The AC works well. The fluids are at acceptable levels. It is driven very little as I live and work at home. Easy access to virtually everything I need within 1-2 miles. There are weeks it gets driven only 10 miles or so, if that. A tank of gas can last 2 months or more. Mileage is at roughly 130k; the odometer has been broken for a couple of years; it reads 115k. I seriously doubt I am putting more than 6,000 miles a year on the vehicle. No significant trips in almost a year (Memphis to Houston and back.) My late wife and I spent approx 4 months in Houston last year, so the car was driven little then as it sat here unused for three months. The trip to Houston notwithstanding, we had an appartment only minutes away from MD Anderson Cancer Center (you can fill in the blanks...) :(
If I knew what else to add, I would add it. If you have additional questions, please feel free to ask.
Thank you,
bob

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Post by MadeInJapan »

Hey Bob...glad you posted.. I have been corresponding with Bob for a few days and to be honest, we're stumped. I'm hoping that someone has run into this and can help him out...we've already tried locking and unlocking the car from the outside (with windows up) several times with the key.

Any suggestions to help this guy?
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Post by mbsl98 »

It sounds as if the system is sensing a problem with one of the various locks / alarm sensors. Have you tried opening and firmly closing every opening that has an alarm/electric lock? ie: hood, trunk all doors.
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Post by Solutech »

Sounds like the alarm to me also .

Heres what I think is happening .

You lock doors from outside car .

Alarm turns on and tests sensors . One or more sensors fail so Alarm turns off and resets . Lights flash .

Check all the alarm points carefully for missing/broken wires or broken sensors .

This may help at the least isolate if it is the alarm ....
Ozark Lee wrote:If you have a remote keyfob unlock the doors with that, that will disable the alarm. If you don't have the remote try using the keys going to the unlock position twice in fairly quick succession. If that doesn't work on the driver's side try the passenger's side. Sometimes the switches in the lock go bad from lack of use.

If that still doesn't work you need to remove relay 210/211 from the lower electrical unit which is located high on the firewall to the left of the steering column (as you look at it).

Once that relay is removed look on the 210 side of the relay and identify pins 50E and 50F. Fashion a jumper wire and jumper the socket positions associated with those to pins.

At this point the alarm system is defeated and the immobilizer is bypassed. The car should start and run normally.

...Lee
The bit your interested in is how to disable the alarm .

try it and if the lights stop flashing you know its alarm related .

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Post by lostintime »

Thanks for the advice.
I have opened and closed all doors, trunk, & hood, even opened and closed the moonroof. I used the passenger side door to unlock and re-lock the car in quick succession, three times.
BUT, the perimeter lights still flash like clockwork.
I have not attempted the suggestion of Solutech as far as disconnecting the alarm wiring. I will attempt that a little later when it is cooler. (That and it sounds a little daunting to a novice like me....)
Will advise asap. If any other thoughts occur, please feel free to share.
Thanks to you all,
bob

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Post by Solutech »

You will need to remove the lower dash panel that wraps round the steering column . The relay is to the upper left of the column marked 210/211.

On the underside of relay 210 you will see 50E and 50F stamped into the plastic . You need to get a piece of electrical wire and in the socket the relay came from locate where those 2 pins were and put an end of your "jumper" into those 2 holes .

Sounds daunting but it really isnt .

Make sure your battery is disconnected before you go pulling things out .

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Post by VCA »

Solutech wrote:Make sure your battery is disconnected before you go pulling things out .
Yes, and when you reconnect the battery, do so in this manner:

Put ignition in position II
Reconnect negative battery cable
DO NOT enter vehicle until SRS light has extinguished
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Post by fushionEdge »

VCA wrote:
Solutech wrote:Make sure your battery is disconnected before you go pulling things out .
Yes, and when you reconnect the battery, do so in this manner:

Put ignition in position II
Reconnect negative battery cable
DO NOT enter vehicle until SRS light has extinguished
why is that?
Cant you just put battery in.
connect pos cable
connect neg cable
all ok then?
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Post by Solutech »

Tiny risk of the airbag deploying . And I mean tiny . Ive swapped batterys in and out of cars many times and never had a bag blow yet .

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Post by MadeInJapan »

Right...actually, I've never done the key to position II either except for in our '04 V70. In VADIS...big warning for these later cars. For the 850 and x70 series, the warning isn't as large. Anyway, it's always good to be cautious. If you set an SRS (air bag light) the only one who can clear it is the dealer ($$).
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