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P2 Multiple RPM signals, one pegs at 6,000 RPM

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P2 Multiple RPM signals, one pegs at 6,000 RPM

Post by Jonboy74 »

This is a puzzlement.

I had previously posted here:


Sadness - 2002 V70 2.4T - Transmission Service Required - is it time to say goodbye?

I was driving along the interstate going ~65 MPH, roughly 2,300 RPM, and all of a sudden the “Transmission Service Required” message pops up on the DIM.

Drove home in limp mode, let sit overnight, and the car ran perfectly fine the next day, not in limp mode. At least at first. Multiple trips, anything of any significance, it goes into limp mode.

Long story short after a drain and fill and and evaluation by my indy shop, and an ECM repair by XeMODeX, the issue still persists. (I had a 711A “Internal Fault” for years, so decided to take a chance on that maybe being a contributing factor. Alas, it does not appear so…but at least the 711A is gone :D)

The Indy shop mentioned that the transmission received the engine speed as 6,000 RPM at the same time that I got the transmission message on the DIM. They were able to reproduce this.

Connecting my cheap OBD sensor and using the Torque app on my Android tablet, I saw that there were two different RPM gauges, so I added them both.

At first, they both match the tach in the DIM almost perfectly. However, after a bit of driving, one of the gauges pops to 6,000 RPM and stays there, while the other still matches the tach in the DIM up and down, perfectly.

So now the puzzlement - what would cause this difference? There’s got to be some sensor or module that is acting up that is causing the TCM to be confused and going into limp mode.

Where do I go from here?
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Jonboy

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Post by dikidera »

Take out the turbine speed and output shaft speed sensors and give them a clean. Usually they gunk up with metal particles. It could also be a failed such sensor.

There is a engine rpm sensor, an input sensor for turbine speed which is what the sensor uses to determine slippage and an output shaft speed sensor to corroborate that the clutches have engaged and correct gear ratio is selected.

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Where are these sensors located?

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Lift the hood and I suggest removing the air filter box for better access. It's easy enough. Towards the head but on/around the transmission you should see the crank sensor.

Around the transmission you should see an electrical connector on a sensor held down by a 10mm bolt, towards the firewall you should find the same one. When removing from the transmission, I suggest blowing compressed air or brake cleaner around these sensors for the transmission so that gunk doesnt fall inside when you remove the sensors. Remove by slightly twisting, but I should warn you, they do have a plastic body and may be brittle and break on you.

They look like this on the transmission

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So…. Looks like I may need two of these….

https://www.fcpeuro.com/products/volvo- ... 0713952#qa

And wiring harnesses to go with….

https://www.fcpeuro.com/products/volvo- ... escription

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Post by abscate »

Jonboy74 wrote: 11 Oct 2024, 09:51 So…. Looks like I may need two of these….

https://www.fcpeuro.com/products/volvo- ... 0713952#qa

And wiring harnesses to go with….

https://www.fcpeuro.com/products/volvo- ... escription

Thanks!

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So I figured I would update this thread. The problem subsided in the colder months….and never came back! I was certain that I would see a recurrence this summer with the temps in the 90’s and hitting triple digits a couple times, combined with an abnormally high amount of driving, but I never had the issue again. Weird!

But it doesn’t matter at this point, because I blew my engine last week at 311k miles. In a word I am devastated. 😢

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