Help with ECM 1998 V70 manual wagon
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gregoryahunter1
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I would appreciate any help. I have a project 1998 V70 wagon with a manual transmission. Was running when I took it to a mechanic to get the clutch replaced. After clutch replaced , the mechanic couldn't get it to start and eventually gave up and I took it to another mechanic who has determined that the ECM is bad. Part number is P09155761. I have checked online and called a bunch of places and cant find this exact part. Is there any way to know what other part number of the ECM will work in my car? If not - is there some way to "flash" a different ECM to work with this car. Im hoping that this car is not bricked. Any other options or advice would be greatly appreciated! Picture of the ECM is attached
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Is this car required pressing clutch previously to start?
VGLA has feature to prevent start if it doesnt detect clutch being pressed while starting *if* this feature is programmed ON. It can be programmed OFF via App if this is being problem suddenly.
Is this car required pressing clutch previously to start?
VGLA has feature to prevent start if it doesnt detect clutch being pressed while starting *if* this feature is programmed ON. It can be programmed OFF via App if this is being problem suddenly.
- misha
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And you need a Bosch part # from upper left angle.
Ecu can't go bad from a clutch replacement if it ran before that.
Don't bother with ecu replacement.
Ecu can't go bad from a clutch replacement if it ran before that.
Don't bother with ecu replacement.
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'73 144 De Luxe
'78 244 DL
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History of Volvos in the family:
'71 144 S
'73 144 De Luxe
'78 244 DL
'78 244 DL
'79 244 GLE
'85 340 GLS
'97 850 2.5 20v / fully equipped / Motronic 4.4 from the factory / upgraded with S,V,C,XC70 instrument cluster / polar white wagon
- volvolugnut
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Go back to the basics.
Does it have compression? Fuel to the injectors? Proper timing of valves? Ignition timing and spark?
This no start condition after major shop work sounds more like a wiring problem. Like a wire connection or sensor is not ready.
volvolugnut
Does it have compression? Fuel to the injectors? Proper timing of valves? Ignition timing and spark?
This no start condition after major shop work sounds more like a wiring problem. Like a wire connection or sensor is not ready.
volvolugnut
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Mercedes: 2001 E320, 1973 280, 1974 280C, 1989 300E, 1988 300TE, 1979 300TD, parts cars.
2009 Smart Passion
Ford: 1977 F350, 1964 F150 (2), 1938 Tudor Sedan
Farmall tractors: 1956 400 Diesel, 1946 A
John Deere 214 lawn tractor about 1977 model
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Is it cranking, not firing?
Doubtful it is the ECM. If the reader is talking to it via OBD, it’s something else
Doubtful it is the ECM. If the reader is talking to it via OBD, it’s something else
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gregoryahunter1
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Thanks for suggestions so far - I will follow up on those
Here is the details from the mechanic:
" found several things unplugged including the ignition coil discharge module and camshaft position sensor, plugged those things in and checked for spark, found no spark, power and ground present at coil discharge module but no pulse from PCM, found 1.2v on PCM pulse wire, checked injector pulse and found no pulse, found system voltage on the power side of the connector and 6.5v on the wire that should be grounded by the PCM, this indicates a short or a failed PCM, need more time for diagnosis
Found wires smashed between clutch line bracket and transmission but no damage to wires, load tested the ground circuit to the PCM and found no faults, checked all power wires are getting proper power to the PCM, with the PCM connected there is 6.5v on the injector control wire, added jumper cables to engine and chassis ground and the condition did not change indicating it has all the grounds to the engine and chassis for PCM function, with the PCM disconnect there is no voltage on these wires and they are not shorted together, recommend replacing engine control module, can't find information on reprogramming a used ecm, confirm with programming service"
If this does NOT indicate a bad ECM - I would love to hear further suggestions.
Thanks again
Here is the details from the mechanic:
" found several things unplugged including the ignition coil discharge module and camshaft position sensor, plugged those things in and checked for spark, found no spark, power and ground present at coil discharge module but no pulse from PCM, found 1.2v on PCM pulse wire, checked injector pulse and found no pulse, found system voltage on the power side of the connector and 6.5v on the wire that should be grounded by the PCM, this indicates a short or a failed PCM, need more time for diagnosis
Found wires smashed between clutch line bracket and transmission but no damage to wires, load tested the ground circuit to the PCM and found no faults, checked all power wires are getting proper power to the PCM, with the PCM connected there is 6.5v on the injector control wire, added jumper cables to engine and chassis ground and the condition did not change indicating it has all the grounds to the engine and chassis for PCM function, with the PCM disconnect there is no voltage on these wires and they are not shorted together, recommend replacing engine control module, can't find information on reprogramming a used ecm, confirm with programming service"
If this does NOT indicate a bad ECM - I would love to hear further suggestions.
Thanks again
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You need to find someone who knows p80 Volvos to fix all the disconnected stuff and put it right.
I don’t know what a PCM is but it isn’t a Volvo thing, unless it’s the coil firing module?
I’m guessing it cranks but does not fire. You need to isolate if it spark or fuel missing.
Is Robert Spinner nearby? Anyone know his schedule ? If you are on a tight budget he can help
I don’t know what a PCM is but it isn’t a Volvo thing, unless it’s the coil firing module?
I’m guessing it cranks but does not fire. You need to isolate if it spark or fuel missing.
Is Robert Spinner nearby? Anyone know his schedule ? If you are on a tight budget he can help
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- volvolugnut
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For a couple hundred bucks (maybe) you could send your ECM to XeModex to have tested. This may be wasted monry if they say it is ok.
You may have more damaged/pinched wires somewhere. You could remove all the wire loom and wire tie downs and inspect all the wiring under the hood. This is a big job, but possible.
Also inspect the pin connections at the ECM and connector harness. Pins may be damaged.
volvolugnut
You may have more damaged/pinched wires somewhere. You could remove all the wire loom and wire tie downs and inspect all the wiring under the hood. This is a big job, but possible.
Also inspect the pin connections at the ECM and connector harness. Pins may be damaged.
volvolugnut
The Fleet:
Volvo: 2001 V70 T5, 1986 244DL, 1983 245DL, 1975 245DL, 1959 PV544, multiple Volvo parts cars.
Mercedes: 2001 E320, 1973 280, 1974 280C, 1989 300E, 1988 300TE, 1979 300TD, parts cars.
2009 Smart Passion
Ford: 1977 F350, 1964 F150 (2), 1938 Tudor Sedan
Farmall tractors: 1956 400 Diesel, 1946 A
John Deere 214 lawn tractor about 1977 model
And others.
Volvo: 2001 V70 T5, 1986 244DL, 1983 245DL, 1975 245DL, 1959 PV544, multiple Volvo parts cars.
Mercedes: 2001 E320, 1973 280, 1974 280C, 1989 300E, 1988 300TE, 1979 300TD, parts cars.
2009 Smart Passion
Ford: 1977 F350, 1964 F150 (2), 1938 Tudor Sedan
Farmall tractors: 1956 400 Diesel, 1946 A
John Deere 214 lawn tractor about 1977 model
And others.
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Oh geez. It’s a ‘98, it’s rather simple.
First off, PCM isn’t terminology used by Volvo or people that work on them, so that tells me his experience level with these things. Second, if the guy is probing stuff for power before doing simple checks, that confirms to me that he has absolutely no idea how to properly diagnose a -98 Volvo. They are very simple and easy to fix if you know what you’re doing.
I’ve never even heard of a case of a dead computer on one of these. It’s insanely unlikely that happened, especially while doing something unrelated like a clutch.
I can almost guarantee that a ground strap was not re-connected, the cam or crank sensor not plugged in, or the spade connector for the starter signal was not reconnected. Start there. It’s almost guaranteed to be something simple like that.
‘98 also doesn’t have vin-locked ECUs, so idk why this guy is confused about (unnecessary) programming - ya drop a new (used) one in and go. If you do want to try replacing it, you just need to get one from a ‘98 with the same engine and a manual, disconnect the battery, drop it in, and you’re good to go.
If it does actually need an ECU for some reason and this is a turbo car, get VAST Tuning’s Euro R ECU. It’s like $300, and you’ll get a significant power bump along with a new computer. You just have to match the injectors so it runs right (install blue/white injectors if not already equipped).
tl;dr
The tech who’s working on this thing is an idiot. Check all connections and grounds - it’s almost guaranteed to be something simple
First off, PCM isn’t terminology used by Volvo or people that work on them, so that tells me his experience level with these things. Second, if the guy is probing stuff for power before doing simple checks, that confirms to me that he has absolutely no idea how to properly diagnose a -98 Volvo. They are very simple and easy to fix if you know what you’re doing.
I’ve never even heard of a case of a dead computer on one of these. It’s insanely unlikely that happened, especially while doing something unrelated like a clutch.
I can almost guarantee that a ground strap was not re-connected, the cam or crank sensor not plugged in, or the spade connector for the starter signal was not reconnected. Start there. It’s almost guaranteed to be something simple like that.
‘98 also doesn’t have vin-locked ECUs, so idk why this guy is confused about (unnecessary) programming - ya drop a new (used) one in and go. If you do want to try replacing it, you just need to get one from a ‘98 with the same engine and a manual, disconnect the battery, drop it in, and you’re good to go.
If it does actually need an ECU for some reason and this is a turbo car, get VAST Tuning’s Euro R ECU. It’s like $300, and you’ll get a significant power bump along with a new computer. You just have to match the injectors so it runs right (install blue/white injectors if not already equipped).
tl;dr
The tech who’s working on this thing is an idiot. Check all connections and grounds - it’s almost guaranteed to be something simple
1998 V70 AWD - Emerald Green/Tan - M56/Delta link swap, VAST tuned, lots of fun
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1998 V70 NA - Nautic Blue/Charcoal - Factory M56/slicktop track car
2006 XC70 Ocean Race - workhorse
1999 Saab 9-3 - daily
2004 XC70 - former workhorse, parted
2005 V50 T5 M66 FWD - former garage queen, sold
2002 S40 1.9T - former daily, rear ended
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